on p'tin's "issue" with nazi's .....

on more than several occasions p'tin has intimated that a substantive rationale for russia's invasion of the ukraine is its association with "nazi's."   i would suppose that he would also view this as a substantive basis for invading germany, italy and japan at this late date.

but, russia's association with "nazi's" goes much deeper than mere name calling, and puts the lie to any russian assertion that there is some sort of antipathy between the soviet/russian communists and fascism, such as would justify the russian invasion of the ukraine.

the year is 1939.  and adolph hitler and joseph stalin both coveted poland, to the point of armed aggression and war.   but, each was prepared to invade poldand.

now a lot of you may not be aware of the historial result of this, because not many of you care much for "history" these days, that being the study of factual events and not hypothetical ideological posturing.  the following is based on fact.   you may get a highly condensed (but pretty accurate recitation of the following events) version from wikipedia.--

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact --  (this is not a hot link, but hot links are included in the text taken from wikipedia.)

The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was a non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union that enabled those two powers to partition Poland between them. The pact was signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939 by German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov^[1] and was officially known as the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.^[2][3] Unofficially, it has also been referred to as the Hitler–Stalin Pact,^[4][5] Nazi–Soviet Pact^[6] or Nazi–Soviet Alliance^[7] (although it was not a formal alliance).^[8][9]

Its clauses provided a written guarantee of peace by each party towards the other and a commitment that declared that neither government would ally itself to or aid an enemy of the other. In addition to the publicly-announced stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included the Secret Protocol, which defined the borders of Soviet and German spheres of influence across Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland. The secret protocol also recognised the interest of Lithuania in the Vilnius region, and Germany declared its complete disinterest in Bessarabia. The rumour of the existence of the Secret Protocol was proved only when it was made public during the Nuremberg Trials.^[10]

Soon after the pact, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. Soviet leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September, one day after a Soviet–Japanese ceasefire came into effect after the Battles of Khalkhin Gol.^[11] After the invasions, the new border between the two countries was confirmed by the supplementary protocol of the German–Soviet Frontier Treaty. In March 1940, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions, in Finland, were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. That was followed by the Soviet annexation of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertsa region). Concern for ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians had been used as pretexts for the Soviets' invasion of Poland. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940 violated the pact since it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence that had been agreed with the Axis.^[12]

The territories of Poland annexed by the Soviet Union after the 1939 Soviet invasion east of the Curzon line remained in the Soviet Union after the war ended and are now in Ukraine and Belarus. 

so, not only was russia/the soviet union sufficiently tolerant of fascism to make an agreement with nazi germany, but that tolerance not only included making joint and co-ordinated war upon a sovereign state, but mutually enjoying the "spoils" of such war, which, for the soviets, lasted deeply into the late 20th century.  you will please note that some of the "rationales/pretexts" for partition of poland are mouthed by p'tin to this day for his "excuses" for invading the ukraine.  (protection of ethnic russians, yada yada etc.)

so, when p'tin says that the ukraine deserves conquest because of its "nazi past & present," he is simply blowing hot air out his mouth, or his ass, which ever you prefer, because they are pretty much equivalencies in my view.

john jay @ 04.30.2022

 

Comments

[Paul Alberrs]

A great history lesson for all. A lesson for all the leaders of France And The U.K. If you could find any alive.
All my adult life I have wondered
why the U.K. and France did not,at the same time, declare war on Russia. I am sure it is a simple matter of a treaty or two.