summer patriot, winter soldier: April 2013

barlow, can you get me in touch w/ tounton?

barlow, it's just that simple. i want to discuss mr. taunton's photos with him.

john jay @ 04.26.2013

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there are other photos of the chechen brothers and the fellow in the red cap ....

photographers do not take just one photo of a scene. witness the fact that the unattributed photographer took multiple photos of the brothers chechen.

there are other photos of the man in the red cap. you can bet on it.

"the" iwo jima photo, for instance, is just one of many taken of the flag raising over the island, when the marines attained the summit of the island, mount suribachi. it was not much of a mountain, but, and incredibly dear price was paid for it, and its capture was epic. joe rosenthal's photo was one for the epoch, and he knew it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+of+the+raising+of+the+flag+at+iwo+jima&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6Kh6UY6eMIyMigLbyoCACQ&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=751&bih=637

photographers do not take just one photo. they take as many as they can. film is cheap, even if the effort to obtain the photo is not. you must understand joe rosenthal's attachment to his photos .... he was exposed to every risk the marines who took the mount were, and he carried only his camera.

so, why does the man or woman who took the photo of the brothers chechen not want to be known?

john jay @ 04.26.2013

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i want to know the source of the unattributed photos in the n.y. daily news article showing the brothers chechen & the red capped fellow at the bombing ....

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/we-may-have-had-pictures-of-abdul-al-salimi-alharbi-standing-close-by-to-the-brothers-tsarnaev-just-.html .

added thought, 04.26.2013. just before i slept, i thought it would be very important to obtain all the photos taken by whoever captured the image of the fellow in the red peaked watch cap standing just feet from tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev at the finish line to the boston marathon.

so, just now, i went back and looked at the pictures of the two chechens and the fellow in the red cap.

and, just now, i noticed something odd, seemingly trivial, yet very important upon consideration.

look at the two photos that lead off the story at the new york daily news. look at the 3rd photo of the man in the red cap (who has a shock of curly black hair sticking out from the back of the cap, by the way.) http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chechen-bombing-suspects-planted-device-feet-russian-flag-article-1.1322263 .

do you notice anything odd about the pictures? well, i did.

they are unattributed. the name of the photographer is not affixed beneath them.

look at every other picture in that article. "john tlumaki, the boston globe/ap." "ken mcgagh/metrowest daily news/rueters." "dan lampariello/ruiters." "david green/ap" for the film, and the photo taken with the apple device.

these photos are attributed.

now, why would someone take three photos of the tsarnaevs, to include one of the fellow in the red cap, as they are certainly indistinguishable from anyone else in the crowd, ... , unless, of course, he had a prior interest in them.

i think that they are surveillance photos taken by someone who followed and observed the chechen brothers, and the fellow in the red hat.

i would very much like to find out where the new york daily news obtained those photos, and why they remain unattributed. if they were from any other source, other than the government of the united states and one of its intelligence agencies, or the state department, they would be attributed.

they would be attributed.

do you think that any photographer on the face of the earth, would not want his name and the organization he or she worked for, emblazoned on those photos? get real.

i want to know the source of the unattributed photos. you should, too. end, added thought.

john jay @ 04.25.2013

p.s. do you think that joe rosenthal ever allowed this photo to be published without proper attribution? such photos make the career of a photographer, and they are well aware of this. photos do not get published w/out attribution for a reason, ... , the photographer wants to remain anonymous. you figure it out.

and, just as there are other photos of the raising of the flag over mount suribachi, so are there other photos of the man in the red cap. you can count on it.

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/there-are-other-photos-of-the-chechen-brothers-and-the-fellow-in-the-red-cap-.html . no doubt about it.

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we may have had pictures of abdul al-salimi alharbi standing close by to the brothers tsarnaev just before the explosions at the boston marathon ....

we may have had pictures of abdul al-salimi alharbi standing close to the brothers tsarnaev just before the explosions at the boston marathon in plain view in front of us all along, without realizing it. there is a fair chance that a friend and i have stumbled upon them, purely by chance, looking for something else.

you be the judge.

if you will recall abdul alharbi was scheduled to be deported from the united states as a "person of interest" in terrorist activities, just after the bombings at the boston marathon.

and, if you will recall, michelle obama visited him in the hospital after the bombings. http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/photos-of-michelle-obamas-visit-with-al-salimi-alhardbi-in-his-hospital-room-w-injuries-he-received-.html . and, after it had been determined that he was to be summarily deported for suspected terrorist activities.

well, it may very well be that alharbi was standing feet away from the tsarnaev brothers near the finish lines to the boston marathon, as they waited expectantly to witness the detonation of the bomb blast that killed and maimed americans, unsuspecting americans, engaged in the pursuit of their sport.

you be the judge.

how did i come to notice the photo i am going to show you, very shortly? well, a friend emailed, asking why others have not pointed out that a fellow in a yellow coat was following the tsarnaevs, also carrying a large backpack, as the tsarnaevs wended their way through the crowd to the finish line. i wrote my friend, and pointed out that on april 18, i had pointed out such a person in a blog post. http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/has-anyone-or-any-agency-identified-w-any-degree-of-precision-the-type-of-explosive-used-in-the-bost.html .

but, something struck my memory. my friend mentioned a man in a bright yellow coat carrying a back. i remembered from the photos i had looked at, a man in a dark coat carrying a brief case.

so, i determined to look at the photos more closely, to try and reconcile our memories.

and, i came across a photo which i think suggests very strongly, that abdul alhardi was photographed mere feet away from the tsarnaevs just moments before the blasts went off, wearing the same hat he was wearing when mooch obama visited him at his boston hospital room.

how does this happen?

i am going to reprint the letter to my friend, with links to several photo compilations showing scenes at the finish line to the boston marathon.

you be the judge as to whether the photo i discussed in the letter to my friend show abdul al-salimi alhardi standing just mere feet from the bombers tsarnaev, before the fatal & injurious blasts.

added thought, 04.26.2013. just before i slept, i thought it would be very important to obtain all the photos taken by whoever captured the image of the fellow in the red peaked watch cap standing just feet from tamerlan and dzhokhar tsarnaev at the finish line to the boston marathon.

so, just now, i went back and looked at the pictures of the two chechens and the fellow in the red cap.

and, just now, i noticed something odd, seemingly trivial, yet very important upon consideration.

look at the two photos that lead off the story at the new york daily news. look at the 3rd photo of the man in the red cap (who has a shock of curly black hair sticking out from the back of the cap, by the way.) http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chechen-bombing-suspects-planted-device-feet-russian-flag-article-1.1322263 .

do you notice anything odd about the pictures? well, i did.

they are unattributed. the name of the photographer is not affixed beneath them.

look at every other picture in that article. "john tlumaki, the boston globe/ap." "ken mcgagh/metrowest daily news/rueters." "dan lampariello/ruiters." "david green/ap" for the film, and the photo taken with the apple device.

these photos are attributed.

now, why would someone take three photos of the tsarnaevs, to include one of the fellow in the red cap, as they are certainly indistinguishable from anyone else in the crowd, ... , unless, of course, he had a prior interest in them.

i think that they are surveillance photos taken by someone who followed and observed the chechen brothers, and the fellow in the red hat.

i would very much like to find out where the new york daily news obtained those photos, and why they remain unattributed. if they were from any other source, other than the government of the united states and one of its intelligence agencies, or the state department, they would be attributed.

they would be attributed.

do you think that any photographer on the face of the earth, would not want his name and the organization he or she worked for, emblazoned on those photos? get real.

i want to know the source of the unattributed photos. you should, too. end, added thought.

john jay @ 04.25.2013

p.s. let me ask, does anyone have, or can anyone get, a log of what abdul alhardi was wearing when he checked into the hospital for treatment of burns to his hands, injuries he received at the bombings at the boston marathon finish line? if by chance, was it a tan coat? and, what was the condition of that coat? did it have blast debris, or blood, or tissue on it? if it did, and that was allowed to "escape," just as he has, ... , my, oh my, what a miscarriage of justice.

and, michelle obama, right in the middle of it. friends, how much of this can be unwitting?

follows the email to my friend.--

"r____:

look at this link.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chechen-bombing-suspects-planted-device-feet-russian-flag-article-1.1322263 .

go to the photo, directly underneath the caption about the slain mit cop having volunteered at tamelan's gym.

near the center of the photo is a cop wearing a yellow vest in front of the barricade. and, standing behind him is the younger brother, directly underneath the "7" in the address "867," and next to him on his left, tamerlan.

now go over to the left in the photo, to the right of address "863," and you will see a short man in a tan coat, wearing a red hat. he is obscured by two women to his front, a brunette and a blond.

look at the red hat, and the way it points up, like a cone.

he is short.

back to m. obama at the hospital. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/are-these-pictures-of-michelle-obama-visiting-the-saudi-student-put-on-a-watchlist-last-week/ .

look at the picture of the little short saudi shit next to michelle obama. he is wearing a red knit cap w/ harvard written on it. look at how it peaks.

not everyone wears a wool watch cap in such a manner, with a pointy peak. normally a watch cap is pulled down, to a skull shaped silohuette ..... he is such a little shit, that the hat doesn't do that.

just like the little shit in the picture near the finish line at the boston marathon, under the street sign "863."

tell me what you think of my analysis.

/s/ john jay"

[my apologies for the condition/formatting of this note. typepad's word processor strikes again. it is impossible to get it to "answer the helm" when trying to format stuff. i am sorry: jjjay.]

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photo's of michelle obama's visit with al-salimi alhardbi in his hospital room, w/ injuries he received in the boston marathon bombing .... he was listed by the feds as a "person of interest" in the bombings, as he was suspect in the bombings ....

there is just no doubt about it.

michelle obama visited a "person of interest" in the boston marathon bombings in his hospital room, where he was staying with injuries he received (somehow) in the bombings themselves. that means he was a suspect in the criminal murder of americans. this is something that was known to michelle obama, no matter how damned dumb she is.

the photos prove it, without doubt. she is there, at his bedside.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/are-these-pictures-of-michelle-obama-visiting-the-saudi-student-put-on-a-watchlist-last-week/ . yes, these are picture of obama visiting a suspected terrorist. and, as the story develops, there is very damning evidence accumulating and being made public that he was linked to al queda. (these pictures, btw, come from a facebook page published in arabic. you figure it out.)

just who in hell does michelle obama think she is, mother teresa. she is married to the who fancies himself president of the united states. in case anyone has forgotten, this is a political position in which the holder purportedly represents the interests of the citizens of the united states, and not the interests of a person who is an al queda operative, e.g., a terrorist.

and, michelle obama visits a terrorist in the hospital, "recovering" from injuries he received in a bomb blast in which americans lost their lives and limbs, and received horrible injuries.

who in the fuck does she think she is?

john jay @ 04.24.2013

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well, there are certain risks involved being ruled by an idiot who must read from a teleprompter ....

.... , but there are the concomitant risks of an idiot who made his living in "journalism" reading the words of others on a teleprompter thinking he can speak from his own "mind," as well.

(look, ma, an ad lib.)

i speak of tom brokaw babbling that the boston marathon bombing may have had its roots in the brothers chechnya "feeling alienated."

what an ultra maroon, as bugs bunny was wont to say. bugs also noted, it is to laugh, it is to cry, which seems also apropos.

john jay @ 04.22.2013

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some small points of interest on the "double agent" theory ....

1.) someone needs to go to chechnya and talk to mom and dad. about the double agent thing, being employed and in contact with the f.bi./c.i.a., and many other things.

2.) in none of this, (and, of course, it is early and people have not thought of such matters, yet), have i heard anything about what these kids did to earn money, to have a house/apartment of their own, to be able to afford a mercedes automobile, to attend dartmouth college.

they don't give away ivy league educations, you understand that, right?

3.) where did the older brother get the means to visit russia? did he in fact, go to russia? what was his travel itinerary? and, if he did go to russia, did whoever finance his trip supervise where he went, and who he saw, and what he talked about? 100% of his time & whereabouts, accounted for?

4.) just who supported the life style these kids enjoyed?

5.) who were their contacts in the jihad, and how extensive were they?

and, oh yes, i nearly forgot.--

6.) did anyone besides michelle obama think to go visit that slimy piece of shit saudi in the hospital before his skinny butt got whisked out of the united states? and, do you suppose, that there is an off chance that michelle obama, she of the red belly, thought to ask the little twerp just how it was that he managed to burn his hands in the explosion(s) at the finish of the boston marathon? just how and why was he there, she might have inquired, had she been of an inquiring mind.

7.) what was his relationship to the brother chechnyans?

and, finally.--

8.) into whose tender ministrations has he been received in saudi arabia, if not al queda's?

john jay @ 04.21.2013

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double down, and go operational w/ absolute impunity .... the "impenetrable" cover ....

as noted, debka advances the theory that the chechnyan brothers were double agents. i find the theory quite plausible, and even likely. http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/a-comment-by-sdee-at-the-right-scoop-the-two-chechnyans-were-perhaps-double-agents-who-went-south-on.html .

and, very troubling, extremely disturbing.

think of it.

if you are a terrorist, or want to be a terrorist, or have leanings that way, then all you have to do to gain your skills and learn your craft and obtain your materials, supplies and arms, and to espouse your cause, ... , well, all you have to do to do that with absolute impunity is to become a double agent for one of the western intelligence agencies.

and prepare, and go operational at your leisure, when you have picked your target.

not to mention, to have enough money to live on, and even partake in a little luxury, or buy a luxury item, such as a mercedes benz automobile. i've been lying awake this night, thinking of that mercedes. where, or where, did a couple of kids immigrated in from chechnya, get all the money to buy a mercedes? and, even more impressively, where did they get the money to have a mercedes worked on by a mercedes mechanic: those guys don't come cheap, you know.

in my little addled attic, this is the sort of detail that just ties the bow over the gift wrap on the debka package, and makes the notion that these kids were double agents "who went bad" go from plausible, to probable.

but, i digress. let us move back to "doubling down" as the perfect cover for a fundamentalist and/or romantic islamic terrorist. how delicious, for such a person to contemplate his own cleverness and treachery, and to know that his coming attacks are being funded by his enemy.

to my mind, such considerations determine with chilling logic and rational consideration the absolute & utter stupidity of using muslims as "double agents." what in god's name do you offer them to secure their loyalty, and their trust.

and, god's name is the direct issue. isn't it.

for, it is to god that a muslim owes his obeisance. his obedience. his loyalty. and, to a devout muslim, no earthly consideration is going to sway that. and, to a devout muslim, no earthly consideration is going to alter the fact that the infidel is not only his enemy, but, allah's.

it is utter stupidity to think otherwise. it is intellectual delusion, to the point of depravity, to think that it can be otherwise. i think that we have a lot of stupid people in our intelligence circles.

and, one conniving, calculating, despicable rat bastard in the white house.

john jay @ 04.21.2013

p.s. the chechnyan brothers. the brothers ___________ . (you write the name in, it disgusts me.) the perfect foils, the perfect employees for some. and, to the brothers ____________, some employers make the perfect & moneyed, useful idiots.

the "patron" as victim, as it were.

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a comment by sDee at "the right scoop" ..... the two chechnyans were perhaps "double agents" who went south on u.s. intelligence .....

if you've been reading about the two chechnyans who bombed the boston marathon, you've probably come across a bit of a head-scratching statement from the mother of the two. i don't have access to it right now because i thought it typical dissembling from a bereaved parent, but, she maintained that the "f.b.i." had been in "contact" with her, and her sons all along. and, that they were working for the united states.

i will try to find the articles i've seen this in, and provide a link here.

looking at my traffic stats, i found a link to this article at the "right scoop," describing the spontaneous joy that erupted in boston upon the capture of the younger brother, alive. http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-boston-crowd-celebrates-sings-star-spangled-banner-after-jihadi-terrorist-captured/ .

in the comments to the post, was a letter from sDee, making her "per usual" thoughtful contribution to the discussion. sDee knows her stuff. she also has done a lot to promote this blog by mentioning me at other places. it should be understood, that what i am saying is, that when sDee comments on you favorably, you grow in the estimation of others.

well, she had linked and excerpted my article of the red-bellied "black widow" michelle obama visiting the saudi national who was a "person of interest" in all of this, prior to his deportation, and after he was injured while in attendance at the boston marathon.

she also linked and excerpted another article, from debka, which advances the argument that the brothers were actually hired to be double agents designed to penetrate al queda, but, that they had turned on their handlers, e.g., u.s. intelligence & saudi sponsors, and had carried out the attack on their own, ... , in essence, going rogue.

the link is as follows, http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap .

that would, therefore, lend credence to what the men's mother was saying, and supply some very meaningful context to the events leading up to them perpetrating the bombing at the boston marathon.

if true, it suggests, very strongly, that it is a very dangerous game indeed, trying to use muslims and persons from an islamic background as infiltrators into islamic terror. so dangerous as to be foolhardy, in my estimation.

when a person is infused with a fundamentalist religion, when he is inculcated in a matter of faith and a belief in god that transcends all other interests, it is foolhardy to expect that person to be capable of being swayed by "earthly" considerations, such as money or other material inducements. faith is a very powerful thing, and ones loyalty to a religion or his conception or experience of loyalty to the commands of his god are not to be taken lightly.

if that is what happened, then, indeed, whoever were the handlers of these two men created monsters. monsters, who acted against us.

john jay @ 04.20.2013

p.s. i have re-read the article, very thoroughly.

such matters are at best a bit murky, and i doubt anyone from u.s. intelligence is going to endorse the debka article. but, there are things which seem to substantiate it.

first, there is the matter of the mother's statements that her children were in contact with u.s. intelligence types, e.g., the "f.b.i." well before the events culminating in the boston marathon bombing.

second, an interesting fact is related by the debka article, which is substantiated or if sustainable, greatly bolsters the authenticity of their narrative. and, that is, the older brother made a trip to russia before the russians asked the f.b.i. to "vet" him. if this is the case, then it is quite likely that both u.s. and russian intelligence were interested in using the boys to penetrate islamic fundamentalism and islamic terror in chechnya and the caucasia. why would the soviet remnant be interested in a young man at all, given that he had no presence on their radar?

third, it is after the return of the elder brother to the united states, according to debka, that he began to espouse islamic radicalism and terror.

and, finally, there is the enrollment of the younger brother into dartmouth university, an institution of learning which otherwise probably would have been inaccessible to him, according to debka. in short, according to the article, the younger brother didn't have the grades to gain admission.

but, gain admission he did. debka theorizes/speculates that this was a cost exacted by the brothers for their recruitment into u.s. intelligence.

and, it makes sense. as does the entire situation, including parental narrative and the like, when viewed in the context of the debka supposition.

i do not expect the obama administration to be any more forthcoming on this, then they have been w/ regard to the debacle of benghazi. but, if debka has it right, then this most certainly is a more damning failure of the obama policies on intelligence and foreign affairs than was benghazi.

innocents have died on american soil. this is unforgivable. just as was the death of a u.s. border patrol agent killed by a firearm wielded by mexican drug smugglers, the weapon obtained in an ill-conceived and botched a.t.f. scheme to smuggle guns illegally into mexico. (it is estimated that more than 300 mexican nationals have been killed with those guns, most of them not involved w/ the cartels.)

twice now, if the debka analysis is to prove compelling, the u.s. intelligence agencies have been badly burned by dabbling in dangerous games involving islamic terrorists. have we any reason to suspect that syria is going to turn out any better?

and, three times now, the stupidity of b. "insane" obama and his minions have cost innocent bystanders their lives.

when is the son of a bitch gonna explain himself? eh?

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the brazen bitch obama visits saudi bomb terrorist in hospital before he is deported ..... the obama's must go .....

it absolutely strains credulity, but it is true.

michelle obama, she of the black widow red bellied leather pant suit, visited abdul rahman ali issa al-salimi alharbi in a boston hospital where he was being treated for injuries received in the boston marathon bombing.

update, 04.24.2013. in the linked article, photos of michelle obama and others visiting al-salimi alharbi in his hospital room, after the boston marathon bombing. plain as day. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/are-these-pictures-of-michelle-obama-visiting-the-saudi-student-put-on-a-watchlist-last-week/ . in answer to the question in the title, yes, these are photos of the brazen bitch visiting al-salimi aharbi. judge for yourself. end update.

update, 04.20.2013. were the chechnyan brothers another botched espionage adventure on the part of the obama administration? were they rogue double agents, who slipped the traces of their american handlers in the obama administration, and like rabid dogs attacked americans on our own soil? see as well, http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/a-comment-by-sdee-at-the-right-scoop-the-two-chechnyans-were-perhaps-double-agents-who-went-south-on.html . this may very well be a botched operation by president obama even larger than the obama-clinton debacle of benghazi. and, probably is. end update.

yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who was named as a "person of interest" in the investigation of the terrorist bombing. yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who is being deported from the united states on ground that he is a security risk. and, yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who is a member of the saudi family with rich and historical connections to wahhabi terrorism and membership in al queda.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/saudi-paper-michelle-o-visited-person-of-interest/ . read the full story here.

it must be asked, and it must be asked bluntly and plainly, just who in the fuck do the obama's owe their loyalty to? islam. or, the united states of america.

now, there is another issue that raises itself. it is so obvious, that i cannot believe it is not the subject of raging debate in the united states. and, that is, just how does it come about that a "person of interest" in the bombing, get injured in the bombing? it seems to me way more than an amazing coincidence that someone who is implicated in the planning and execution of a bombing gets injured in the same bombing. just what was he doing there?

the obvious implication, to anyone with a brain in their head, was that he was there to carry it out, and to watch his handiwork.

and, that brazen bitch obama visits him in the hospital. i am telling you folks, it is time to take to the streets with pitch forks, burning staves, and such other supplementary arms as recent technology has provided us, and oust these islamic vipers from our white house.

if impeachment won't work, then it is time for the people to go to work, and do the people's handiwork.

john jay @ 04.20.2013

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summer patriot, winter soldier

truth for its own sake, regardless of its more unpleasant implications ...

April 2013

April 26, 2013

barlow, can you get me in touch w/ tounton?

there are other photos of the chechen brothers and the fellow in the red cap ....

i want to know the source of the unattributed photos in the n.y. daily news article showing the brothers chechen & the red capped fellow at the bombing ....

April 25, 2013

we may have had pictures of abdul al-salimi alharbi standing close by to the brothers tsarnaev just before the explosions at the boston marathon ....

April 24, 2013

photo's of michelle obama's visit with al-salimi alhardbi in his hospital room, w/ injuries he received in the boston marathon bombing .... he was listed by the feds as a "person of interest" in the bombings, as he was suspect in the bombings ....

April 22, 2013

well, there are certain risks involved being ruled by an idiot who must read from a teleprompter ....

April 21, 2013

some small points of interest on the "double agent" theory ....

double down, and go operational w/ absolute impunity .... the "impenetrable" cover ....

April 20, 2013

a comment by sDee at "the right scoop" ..... the two chechnyans were perhaps "double agents" who went south on u.s. intelligence .....

the brazen bitch obama visits saudi bomb terrorist in hospital before he is deported ..... the obama's must go .....

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