summer patriot, winter soldier

you like apples obama? .... well, how do you like these apples? ....

in a belated acknowledgment by nbc on the today show today, it is apparently confirmed that an ar-15 rifle was not used by adam lanza in the shooting of the connecticut school children.  such a rifle was found in the trunk of his car, but it was apparently not used in the shooting.

in addition, it is confirmed that lanza tried to buy an ar-15 rifle some days before the shooting, but was denied the purchase by a connecticut gun dealer.  (wanna bet, this is not emphasized very much?  do ya?)  pete williams said it was because connecticut has a "... long waiting period ... ", but this suggestion is pure idiocy.  the waiting period would not have been the grounds for the vendor to have refused tender of the weapon on an attempted purchase, ... , it simply would have delayed delivery had the purchase been completed.  there must have been another ground for denying purchase, and i suspect the state of connecticut denied delivery on the grounds that lanza had been adjudicated dangerous because of mental defect.

in short, the law apparently worked to deny him legal access to weapons.  but, it could not deny him total access, to same.

we'll see, if someone is interested enough in the facts to find out why he was denied purchase.

hat tip, don.  http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495.

it further turns out, according to pete williams the reporter in the above clip, that connecticut police officials are saying that lanza had as many as four pistols on him, though it is not said whether all four were recovered at the place his body was recovered.

my oh my, what a mess.

what happened to all of the spent brass shell casings from the ar-15 rifle which were supposed to have littered the school, in horrible, ghastly profusion, an indictment against multi-round magazines?

and, what about a medical examiner's office that cannot tell the difference between the wounding effect of a rifle caliber as opposed to a semi automatic pistol round?  i will just say, that there is a great deal of difference in the wounding inflicted by a high velocity rifle round and a pistol round, ... , and, such should have been readily apparent to experienced forensic pathologists. 

what a confusing situation.   when will the next "change," the next "clarification" in facts emerge, to be massaged more carefully towards obama's gun confiscation agenda?

john jay @ 12.31.2012

p.s.  anyone have the notion that the media and the politicians will lie about anything to advance their agendas?  anyone?

when the "vertical envelopment" comes knocking on your door ....

i have written many times in these pages of what happens to those who fail to properly conceptualize the situation they are in.

probably no more famous instance is found in kerensky's observation that "... we have no enemies to the left."  it was bad political philosophy.  and, it was an abject failure in "real world" field intelligence gathering.  he simply had no inkling of what was in store for him and russia from the bolsheviks.

laterly, we have witnessed a similar failure on the part of osama bin laden.  he thought that he was safe in pakistan, and he believed himself beyond the reach of american operatives.  he got lax operationally, and he failed to have adequate security on hand at his lair.  in the end, a wife hugging his legs was not adequate.

and, so it is with you my friend.

you simply do not believe that a whole bunch of burly guys in swat gear, knee pads, elbow pad, helmets and phone jacks will come calling on you at 3.30 a.m., and that their only entreaty to enter will be the splintering of your door jams under the hobnails of their boots.

did i mention the guns, the concussions grenades, and blinding lights? ***###***

if you don't think that americans are capable of doing this to fellow americans, than you my friend, are as ill prepared to deal with reality as were kerensky and bin laden.

so, the first thing you have to consider, is that your guns are worthless in the gun safe.  if you do not have a weapon already in hand, or immediately within your grasp, you are not going to be able to get to it before you are surrounded and apprehended.

the first conceptualization you must make, the first thing you must realize, is that if you are to resist you must have a weapon and a goodly supply of ammo in it, and ready to supplement that after it has been expended, if you are really lucky.

the second conceptualization you must make, is that you are willing to shoot at an absolute instant, as soon as you can acquire the persons described above in your gun sights, without palaver or inquiry or challenge as to who they are, and what they are doing in your house.

who in the hell do you think they are?  the fucking neighborhood welcome wagon.

the third conceptualization you must make, and right now, is that all shots are aimed either to the thigh, or to the face mask.  your task, should you undertake it, is to kill those who have entered your house in such a manner.   understand that they mean you absolutely no good.   they do not have good intentions.

they are the minions of tyrants, and they deserve to die, and that is that.   end of discussion.

the final conceptualization that you must face, right now, is that if you resist in the manner i have described, then it is quite likely that you are going to be killed.  even if only severely wounded or injured when you are subdued, you are quite likely to die before you are drug out your door.  if you are lucky enough to get a couple of them to accompany you on your soon to be experienced sojourn into the unknown, then understand that you will not be held in good standing by those who stand over you.

you have one thing in your favor.

not to live, if you fight back, because you will die, most likely & all things being equal.

no, the thing that you have in your favor is that obama and his thugs have not thought this whole thing through very thoroughly, and that they probably do not think that their entry into your home will be met with well directed and effected "counter battery" fire.   the first groups of these thugs who do this will enter your home fat, dumb and happy, with the expectations that they will encounter a quivering mass of jello, sitting in his own stew, so to speak.  (that means they think you will shit your pants, and that you are not in a killing mode.)

this gives you a more than even chance of taking a couple of the bastards with you, before they can effect your capture & death.   well, i am being a bit redundant, as apprehension equates with death.

now.

you have one final conceptualization available to you, as you read this.--

right now, obama and his minions are on the offensive.  they will quite likely run a couple of these little exercises on a couple two or three foils, just to see how they go, and just to see how the public reacts, e.g., will the public do as directed by the government and as directed by the news media when the first of these little "trial balloons" go up, and are announced to the world by the media.

being on the offensive gives the thugs and goons, and obama and feinstein, ... , (but, as mark twain would have remarked, "i repeat myself ... "), the advantage.

the one conceptualization you must make, and this dictates certain organization realities we will discuss, is that we must take the offensive in the conduct of the insurrection.  we must organize, and we must attack.

part of the conceptualization we are discussing must be, is that being on the defensive is not a good place to be either tactically or strategically.

john jay @  12.31.2012

p.s.  we will discuss these matters more.

but, understand the fundamental assumption, that as long as we allow ourselves to be attacked, even if we defend ourselves manfully and well, the advantage lies to obama and ilk.  we take the advantage, when we take to and carry out the attack.

the only decision is when, and when are we justified.

when do we, like the old fire horse, understand that we have just heard the fire bell alarm, and that we go roaring into action.  and, that will be discussed.   what is the clarion summons to battle? 

***###***  the "guns" mentioned are not going to be single shot .22 long rifles, nor are they going to be armed with paintball guns.  they are going to be carrying ar-15's or ar-10's, either in 5.56x45mm nato, or 7.62x51mm nato chamberings.  they will be assaulting you w/ assault weapons.

you had best be armed with something of equal throw weight, if you have even the delusion of gaining the upper hand, tactically speaking, if not the reasonable hope and repulsing them, and getting a little "stand off" between you and your attackers.

i would suggest an ar-15.   or, a twelve gauge pump shotgun, with an extended magazine.   or, a .45 acp semi auto pistol.   all three would be best.   if you don't have them, acquire them.

if you find these things unpalatable, then figure out how to surrender, and do mind your manners in the re-education centers.  it might be helpful to read something about moa's red guards and the great cultural revolution, to know how to properly conduct yourself.  i would suggest that you sleep naked, and learn how to stand with your hands up, palms forward, when your bedroom is entered.

hope for the best.  learn to appreciate the fish eyes in the soup.

links to posts interested in the topic of insurrection .... you may want to view what others are saying ....

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/ 

http://lordofthehundreds.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/a-nation-preparing-for-war-this-is-getting-surreal-guns-4gw-lefthasgonemad/  [a very interesting post, and links to several sites that have been discussing the coming insurrection.  he thinks it is for real, o.k.  he's not happy about it, but thinks the leftists have stepped on their nuts, and don't understand what they've stirred up.  jjj.]

http://tlinexile.blogspot.com/2013/01/with-tomorrow-in-doubt.html --  a very interesting and well written article, a call to arms, a call to fight.  [links to sites w/ some of the more important discussions of this, by principle authors issuing the call to arms.  more than others, he analyzes how this attack on the second amendment is an attack on all our rights and liberties, and a destruction of the bill of rights.]

directorblue.blogspot.com

http://libertyandlead.wordpress.com/  [wintersoldier is linked several times, a nice compliment.  much appreciated.  jjj]

www.thefirearmsblog.com/blog

angrymikeshood.blogspot.com/2012

freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com

www.arizonashooting.com/v3

www.theospark.net

s3.excoboard.com/slop/chute

iowntheworld.com/blog

thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com/2012

libertyendanger.com/2012,   libertyendanger.wordpress.com/wp-admin

shoutout.freeforums.net/index.cgi

badbadjuju.com

ogdaa.blogspot.com

nicedoggie.net

yasbybicproboards.com/index.cgi

elevenbravotwenty.blogspot.com

apocalypseparadigm.blogspot.com

67.22.142.103/forum

the.netalarms.us

charles carrol society.com

angry white dude.com

middleoftheright.blogspot.com

www.captainsjournal.com

http://www.improvedclinch.com/index.php/weblog/there_will_be_no_winners/

whatbubbaknows.info

http://lordofthehundreds.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/a-nation-preparing-for-war-this-is-getting-surreal-guns-4gw-lefthasgonemad/

http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/ 

john jay @ 12.30.2012

 

 

 

 

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the american insurrection .... can the "elites" take refuge in "hiding" ....

in the comments section to "what will be the likely model of american insurrection ... " reader "jd" linked a post suggesting that ex-federal officials and business types might be going into hiding, apparently intent upon sitting out any unpleasantness attendant to getting the obama mess straightened out.

i read the article at the link, and it was interesting.

reader "rod" took some exception to the general notion that anyone can "hide" anymore in this country, in a note at "the american insurrection, where will it be fought," and further doubted that the elites discussed were very much good at living obscurely, by either inclination or skill level.

he suggested frost bite might be in the offing for some of them.

the opposing views kinda got me to thinking on that topic, of what would be the consequence for those who might be considered to have aroused the ire of the gun possessing & toting public, should insurrection occur, and should such types "go to ground."

some of course might have the resources to seek a comfortable exile in europe, or south america, which tends to handle such matters rather discretely.  they could hide there, if hiding were what they were interested in.

as to the rest, i tend to agree with reader "rod," and think that the idea of an obscure & discrete "enclave" of like-minded fellow fat cat federal bureaucrats and financial tycoons, let alone politicians or celebrity talking heads, is a bit unlikely.  i always thought that the weakest part of ayn rand's book, "atlas shrugged" was the hidden valley in colorado, where the protagonists of that story found safe haven from the idiocy of the day.

it's hard to hide wealth.  it's hard to hide attitude.  and, of course, the bigger the enclave, the harder it is to be discrete about it.

and, there is one other thing, that sort of tips the scales for me, and oddly enough, it is the issue of health care.   (we might even label in "obama care," in this particular context  ...  some irony in that, eh?)

the sort of iconic fat cats that we are talking about, such as might be the target of the insurrections anger, tend toward certain things.  they tend to be old, (having the necessary longevity to become both successful and heedlessly arrogant), they tend to be fat, (living off the top of the hog like the kennedey's, and the murfa's of the world do), and, as a consequence they have health problems.

i am not saying that madeline albright would be a natural target of the insurrection, heaven forbid i single out an old corpulent woman as a political enemy, that would be graceless, ... , but, she illustrates my following points precisely.

she is old.  she is hopelessly fat.   and, she absolutely has to have chronic health problems of one sort or another, centering around diabetes, cardiac problems, and arthritis issues.  she has to suffer from some or all of those issues, and anything else dealing with chronic obesity.

how many old skinny politicians do you know of?  old and fat financial titans?  old and fat ward healers and labor bosses?  old and fat journalists, and media giants?

these types simply cannot go off to someplace remote or obscure, to while away the days as chaos and violence goes on about them, they to remain unscathed.  nope, they simply cannot do it.

they are tied, due to circumstances that simply cannot be denied, to major urban centers, wherein are found the high priced medical help that keeps their fat asses alive, ... , they have to live in proximity to the major cardiac centers where the heart surgeons ply their trades, they have to live near the cancer clinics with the resources to do chemo and surgery, and they have to live close enough to these places where they can be hauled in in emergent situations, and where the medical professionals can marshal the resources to gather organs for transplant, and where such procedures can be had and executed.

and, there is another reality.

money and influence are entirely worthless, if there is nothing proximate to it to be obtained by it.

now, warren buffet and sam walton before him were content to live in their simple and bucolic circumstances.  the glitz and glitter of urbanity meant, and mean, nothing to them.  if they needed that, they simply got on and airplane and went to, and came back home to their old and decrepit ford pickups.

you don't need much, if you like macaroni and cheese, with a little ketchup on the side, for dinner.  and, you don't need much to be anyplace fancy to have that.  and, likewise, you don't need hangers-on and sycophants to massage your needy ego if you are built as apparently buffet is, and as apparently walton was.

these people would be capable of laying low.

they are few and far between.

the politicians of this world, the business people of this world, the celebrities, the talking head media, need the adulation and affection of the public, and they have a constant hunger and lust for it.  (hell, they just have a constant lust and appetite for everything.)

they are as incapable of "taking to ground" as ghaddafi, or as assad, or as the iranian mullahs, for that matter.  you think vladimir putin would go into hiding in a russian revolution.  for people like this, to seek refuge, to denounce their influence and "fame," would not be worse than death, it would simply be death.

in sum, i do not think that those who arouse our enmity, who seek to destroy our liberty and freedom, are the types who will hide.   they will either flee to europe and south america and a life of "celebrity" there (much like the exiled duke and duchess of windsor, who exemplify the type perfectly, now that i think about it), or they will stand and let the minions fight, much as assad, and ghaddafi before them, much as would putin.

no, the targets of the insurrection will stay in the target rich areas they now inhabit.  there will be no shortage of them, as they cannot give up their status, and they cannot give up their support structures.  they know they would be no better at such things as reader "rod" describes, fully as well as "rod" knows it.

and, do not forget.  they are old and fat.  they are linked as surely to their doctors and the medical structures, as surely as if the docs had them on leashes.  which, as a matter of fact, they do.

you think fatty albright gets out of town much, that henry kissinger goes hither and yon without a care in the world.  not without a medical retinue, they don't.  not without a health logistics train.

there is no secret enclave for these people.  they simply move into town with too much highly visible baggage.

john jay @ 12.30.2012

p.s.  you may regard them as fixed fortifications, just like ww i's maginot line.   targets, vulnerable to movement and maneuver.  fixed to the firmament, with the inescapable glue of wealth and position.

power hammered into chains.

i know exactly how the vandals, the visigoths, the vikings, the huns, and the mongols would have regarded them.  ripe for the taking.  naked, when the help abandons them.

fixed.  immobile.  defenseless.  helpless.

like saddam in his spider hole, ghaddafi in his culvert.  like one of nicolai ceausescu's chained bears, like ceausescu himself.

 

the american insurrection .... where it will be fought ....

the chief intellectual battle zone will be the kitchen table.

between contesting views.  and, between spouses, along the lines of this i have to do, to be a man, my good woman.

enough of that.

the chief locales will not be as you might suspect, in my opinion.  i don't think we shall see the beginnings and the middle ground in the hinterlands and obscure villages, as in the middle eastern template.  there will be some, to be sure, but in such places most of the persons who might otherwise be targets, e.g., "the authorities," are our friends and much like us in belief and disposition.

why kill your friends?  who do not try to impose tyranny upon you, and who are in your elk and deer camps?  who were vets, who have children in the service, "who come from where you come"?

as to the locales of the fight, i believe that we will move right to the end game.

i believe the battles of the insurrection will be fought in new york city, in washington d.c., and in chicago, illinois and finally, los angeles and san francisco, california because that is where the enemy is.  in those cities the insurrection will find its most visible and iconic targets, those most actively seeking the imposition of tyranny.  there will be found the politicians who posit public protection when what they really intend to impose is the foundation (in the removal of our weapons) for the attack on our other liberties, ... , that being the imposition of restrictions upon free speech and assembly.

that leads to violence, for sure, does it not?

in those cities the insurrection will find the talking heads and pundits of the great leftist mass media, and their minions, the celebrities of hollywood and the movies and television.

the insurrection will take the fight directly to its enemies.  i certainly would not go elk hunting on manhattan island, because there are no elk there, let alone pheasants.  i would certainly not look for the enemy within in the fellowship of my elk camp.

no, the fight is brought to our homes and our villages and our little small towns by those great urban centers that look upon us as peasantry to be told what to do, and from whom the wealth that turns the great engines of our economy is extracted.

the peasants will take the fight to the nobles, because that is who brings the fight to us.  and, we will attack them in their manor houses, in their board rooms, and upon their playing fields and party houses.

and, the chief reason that we will attack the great urban centers is precisely where the elites are most vulnerable.  they think they have security and police force to protect them.  it is all an illusion.   where will that private hired gun go, when he sees his fellows felled.  first.  and, most thoroughly.

what will the citizenry of the great eastern seaboard metropolis think when it sees the garbage in the streets, when its water supply is interrupted and despoiled, when its food stuffs are interdicted.   how will they find us, as we attack from among them, when we look, talk and act just like them, when all we have to do to escape the scene of an attack is turn, and walk into the crowd on the next block.

we won't be very good at what we do at first.  insurrectionists never are.  we will take casualties, and we will be captured.

but, we will get better as the matter wears on.  people will acquire skills.  and, the other side shall grow very weary of being killed, of being canon fodder.  my kind, we are used to it, we have supplied the soldiery for this country for generations.  their kind, the "them," are not used to getting their hands soiled, ... , they don't work, they count coupons, ... , and they are not used to being targets, and they are not used to shedding blood.

that has been our job for years.

and, we've been good at it, the best in the world.  the government is about to unleash the best fighters in the world, ... , upon itself, because they aim to trample on our liberties.  and we, we have the option of attacking anywhere and anytime and in any manner in which we choose.

poor bastards.  i pity them their stupidity.  they are going to put chains on the men and women who fought the civil war, who went ashore at normandy, who fought at iwo jima and liberated the philippines. 

bring it on.

john jay

p.s.  the other great center of the fight will be the f.e.m.a. and "emergency" detention camps, built all over the country, with quite a few of them in colorado.   anyone ever figure out what sort of emergencies they have in colorado, that require refuge camps?   earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes?   they have an occasional brush fire, and some really bad n.b.a. teams, but disasters?

get real.

the government shall do the work of identifying the "domestic terrorists" that send the tingle up and the cold pee down janet napolitano's legs, and they shall round them up for us, and indoctrinate them at our leisure, and when they have transformed them from urban types into rock hard committed warriors for liberty, we shall liberate them and put guns in their hands.

we shall harvest the fighters that the government has sowed for us, and we will be there.  and, we shall prevail on this battlefield, because we have right, liberty and god on our side.  they are mere pretenders at being tyrants, they are not hard enough for the game they put in motion.  their own ambitions shall destroy them.

what will be the likely model of american insurrection, if "gun control" doesn't "go well?"

america is an armed society.

every year a huge number of americans take to the woods in pursuit of deer, elk and other critters of the fur, feathers and flesh persuasion.   and, if you read hunting magazines and gun magazines, you will well recognize that they are armed with very sophisticated weapons, in some measure, such as optics and ballistic aids, the rival of the most modern military organizations.

so, say that america erupts in rebellion against the gun confiscation measures being cooked up by obama and minions, apparently to be spearheaded in congress by the likes of pelosi, reid, feinstein and others of that ilk.  senator feinsteins pronouncements relative to her legislative aims include words like "confiscation," and "registration," long despised and detested words among pro-gun americans.

if she wanted to "press some buttons," she's pressed some buttons.

what can we view as the likely model of american insurrection?  

update:  this post is linked at  http://middleoftheright.blogspot.com/2012/12/siddownpour-yerself-cuppa-joe.html , dated december 28, 2012.  this post is the link at the very bottom of his article.  i didn't link the post just to tell you i'd been linked.   there is a very interesting and cogent section of the article that discusses the mathematics of resistance to firearms confiscation.  the gist of it is, while the combined police forces of the state & federal gub'm't's have a lot of people and guns, so do we, and we have the ability to mount a massive and successful insurrection, if we need to in order to assert our liberties, and protect our heritage.  end update.

update no. 2, 01.07.2012: this post has probably "done more traffic" than any other i have ever posted, and because of this i have been exposed to very many fine blogs and wonderfully written posts.  were i on the other side of things, in other words, were i a leftist zealot supporter of obama and his wanna be thugs, the reaction to the gun grab proposals (as noted in these articles) would give me a certain amount of pause.

none more so than what i am going to link for you.  not because of the strength of its rhetoric or zeal, ..., but in a way, quite the opposite.  the following article is not a polemic, rather it is a very quiet and measured appraisal of the ethical issues raised by a person faced with enforcement of gun legislation, and of the moral and ethical duties imposed by someone faced by this issues of "gun confiscation" on his porch, and at his door.

it is the well reasoned and measured belief of this writer that he faces a moral, ethical and religious duty to confront oppression with resistance, up to and including lethal force, within the context of any efforts to confiscate his weapons.

"if they come for your guns, do you have a moral responsibility to fight," by dean garrison at "the dc clothesline," posted jan 3, 2013.  http://dcclothesline.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/if-they-come-for-your-guns-do-you-have-a-responsibility-to-fight/ .  mr. garrison's answer is "yes," it is your duty and moral responsibility as an upholder of the constitution, and of our history and heritage, to fight illegal authority whenever confronted by it.  it is an answer i thoroughly endorse.  end update.  

at this blog, http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2010/06/-to-not-resist-aggression-it-is-immoral-.html, june 12, 2010, by this writer.

 

well, it won't be along the lines of major tank battles on open terrain, such as witnessed recently in the middle east.  syrians, iraqis, egyptians, hezbollah and hamas have proved it foolhardy to go up against the modern armor of the west, principally the armies of the u.s. and israel.

fighting modern armies on open terrain is a rather foolhardy proposition, unless you are the top of the military food chain.

no, i believe that the model of conflict in the middle east as we have witnessed the last several years during the "arab spring" and other insurrections provides the proper intellectual modality to anticipate the outlines of such conflict by civilians against an established and entrenched regime.

the fighting in syria, and in lybia is illustrative.   and, we have no further to turn than chechnya to witness a fight carried on by a determined populace against a very strong and very well equipped modern military.

the fighting will be in small scale conflict in urban and suburban environs, with the persons conducting the insurrection attacking fixed governmental installations, and then retreating back into the cover of the environment when its damage has been inflicted.   and, as between political elements in society, the fighting will be much like has been exhibited in iraq for the last 5 or 6 years, as the various groups have engaged in kidnappings and street assassinations of their opponents.   this will be waged citizen to citizen, if it comes to that.

the fighting against the forces of the establishment and government shall be directed against visible but vulnerable members of the military and civilian police, chiefly the command elements.  (for reasons discussed later.)

the fighting between civilians shall be in the form of assassination of prominent members of society, the media, entertainment, and the members of the media attacking and defending the government.  someone walks on the street, a car pulls up, a fusillade, and a body drops to the ground.  the prominent are attacked in their homes, in their work, in the broadcast studio.

in short, those who fight the repression of government shall do so much as terrorist do so now.

as this goes on, we find the answer to the central conceptual issue.

and that is, just how entrenched are the forces of american government, and just how much loyalty to the government trying to enforce gun control, and all the other forces of societal control that lies behind it?

ghaddafi looked pretty solid when the various rag tag groups took after him.   assad looked pretty strong.   and, the mullahs in iran proved surprisingly weak against the forces of protest that took after them, until the actions of barack hussein obama shored them up enough to survive the attack.

what is key here, is how do the various armed forces, military and civilian end up supporting the obama regime if it comes to that.   when those forces start to quit the field because they don't want to fight their brothers and cousins, when they don't want to infringe upon ancient liberties, then the unassailable might of the regime becomes very assailable.

the fight is actually on right now.

it is an intellectual and emotional battle.

obama propounds gun control standing amid the graves of children killed by a lunatic in connecticut.  this will be the government's stand.

so far, i think the government loosing.  despite all of the emotional gravitas given its position, and bulwarked by the deaths of these children, i don't sense an overwhelming groundswell of public opinion to confiscate weapons.

except amongst the literati and the cognoscenti and the mass media.  they are behind obama all the way.  they are to be considered the propaganda arm of the obama regime, plain and simple.  no "media" passes in this conflict.

just as in the middle east, as the arab/muslims and israelis vie for the upper hand with the media, this will be a battlefield in an american insurrection over gun control.  and, because the media and entertainment types are allied with obama, they will be viewed as members of the regime trying to impose gun control, and they will become targets of insurrection as any other minion of the regime.

the attrition among the media and the talking head types should be considerable in my estimation.  they will be targeted, and little mercy shall be shown them.  in my estimation, there is not much love for them in the public, ... , even little katie kouric is despised.

it shall be an intellectual battle, along with considerable blood being shed. (yes, i know that is oxymoronic, but, that is the way it is, ... , the political/propaganda/and provo arms of the insurrection walk in lockstep.)  the regime shall burst through doors in the night, and try to spread terror & intimidation among the populace, as the forces of tyranny have done the entire 20th century.   the insurrection shall target senior command, and will target news reporters and anchors and t.v. executives, even as it tries to woe the common soldier in the ranks.

it shall be bloody, and vicious, and no quarter shall be given.

the undertakers will profit.

john jay @ 12.27.2012

p.s.  and, when it is done, and the regime defeated, no one will talk about what he did in the war.  it shall have been terrible, and brutal.  executions, murders, assassinations and the inevitable collateral damage shall be the issue of the day.

this is the price that those who attempt to impose a totalitarian regime in the america's shall face.  many of us will die.   and, some shall become iconic photos hanging from lamp posts, stripped naked and hoisted by their ankles, as final witness and testimony to their arrogance.

those who seek to take our weapons trifle with history, heritage and firmly held belief.  and, it should be remembered, those of us who believe this way are god fearing, and shall invoke and beseech our god for support.  we have a religious underpinning and faith that shall carry us through this, as opposed to those who seek to suppress us.  they have nothing but naked ambition to sustain them.

do obama, pelosi, and feinstein have the stomach for this sort of conflict?  are they willing to initiate in order to try and gain the rule they aspire to?  we shall find out.

and, i am pretty convinced that they shall find out, too, and in spades.  (i think it machiavelli who first made the sage observation, based on moses i think, that the prophet seldom lives to see the promised land.  something for all "prophets" to keep in mind, surely.  be careful, where you try to lead a surly people.  if my history is off, please correct me.)

the killing fields ... the holocaust ... the red brigades ... the gulag ... could any of these slaughters have happened against an armed populace? ...

let's keep the discussion simple, so that even a simpleton can comprehend it.

the 2nd amendment to the constitution of the united states is not about protecting "hunting rifles."  it is about resisting tyranny, and the oppression, violence and carnage wreaked upon a people by their government.

it was the framers intent that an armed people could resist such oppression, could fight against governmental murder.

think for just a moment, if you are capable.  (this addressed to democrats, liberals and leftists of all stripes.)

do you think that pol phot could have slaughtered his people in the killing fields, that hitler could have enforced the holocaust, that mao could have loosed his red brigades upon millions, or that lenin, stalin, and a whole host of red successors could have instituted and administered the gulag killing and labor camps, ... , that any of them could have unleashed death and mayhem as they did against an armed and jealous people, determined to protect their lives and liberty?

do you really?

i don't.

and, friends, when you evaluate what is at stake in the right to own, possess and bear arms in your defense against the depredations of government, understand fully that barack hussein obama does not think so either.

can you bring yourselves to comprehend his motives in seeking "gun control," in seeking the confiscation of the very weapons necessary to contend with his armed minions, on an equal footing.

john jay @ 12.26.2012

p.s. on who serves in the military ....

in the previous post, i made a remark about where the people come from who serve in the united states military.  i forwarded the proposition that military personnel come from small towns and rural communities, ... , and there is a "lot" of that in n.e. oregon.

by inference, you may conclude safely that it is my position that not many of them come from the cities that support the pretender obama.

you don't believe me?

i suggest that you do a simple exercise.  simply google the department of defense pages that list the deaths and casualties in the u.s. military from your state, year by year.  if you do that, as i have more than once, you will find (unless things have suddenly changed, unremarked by me) that the person who die and are injured serving their country are by and large from the small towns of america and the rural areas of america, ... , you will not find a proportionate number from the cities and urban areas of this country.

city kids, urban kids, college graduates do not serve their country in combat, nor in the military.  they may very well do so in other ways, but, these ways are not by and large accompanied by the risk of violent death or injury.

should the matters before us devolve into violent conflict, i do not see the urban and city kids being any more inclined to defend obama than they are to defend their country.

by contrast, i think my kind of kid will stand for his rights, and will stand for his kith and kin.

that's what i mean by all of that.

john jay @ 11.22.2012

p.s.  so who's side do you think this puts 99% of the vets who served?  how much do you think they like obama?  they took the incoming, and they carried the rifles for uncle sam, so how much do you think they like/will like being told they cannot be trusted to carry arms?

you think they haven't noticed the dickless wonder hasn't mentioned the ft. hood islam jihadist shooter, who murdered their brothers in arms?  and, that he's not been tried, and that he still receives salaries and promotions?

ya think?

how gun control "progresses" in n.e. "oregon .... ar-15 sale by ar-15 sale, that's how ....

1.  the "ranch and home" store sits just south of the washington--oregon border, with walla walla about 6 miles north in washington, and milton freewater about 6 miles or so south of the border.  pendleton, oregon is about 30 miles more or less south of milton.

walla walla has about 25,000 residents, milton freewater may be 5,000 strong, and pendleton about 15,000 hardy souls living there.  you can go a fair distance from these little towns and not find too many other inhabitants, ... , there's a lot of "here," out here.  (the tri-cities are 40 miles west on the confluences of the columbia w/ the snake, yakima and walla walla rivers, but not much in any direction after them, either.)

i walked into the "ranch and home" about 3.00 p.m. the day after nancy pelosi made her infamous remark about "assault magazines."  the clerk behind the counter in the gun department told me that they had sold 40 rifles that day, with about 35 of them being ar-15's of one brand or another.  they had five or six left on the display shelves, and no more in stock.

they had also completely sold out of "assault magazines."  not a one was left on display, not a one left "out back."

if you think this is an isolated instance in an isolated backwater of the country, you would be wrong.  try to order anything over the internet having to do with an ar-15 rifle, or accessory.

these things are not to be had right now.

2.)  now, the significance of this may be lost upon you at first glance.

when people refer to federal employees, of any stripe, it is not by saying "... my sister's boy joe is an f.b.i. agent."  rather, they are referred to as "them," or "they" or "'em."

they are no longer part of "us."   they are "them."

they are not respected adversaries, they are simply adversary.

the psychological distancing which makes them enemies is complete, in other words.

3.)  the two matters related above are not unrelated.  they are part and parcel of the same thing.

you may think that i am a little impolitic.

you simply don't know my friends, if you think i am a little radical.  they are tough people, they've lived hard lives, and they haven't feasted on the plenty of their city cousins, but have chosen their hard lot because they like it here, and they like the life.  (hint:  we don't have a lot of people here who buy $1500 suits and $600 shoes.  if you don't like pressed levi's and stetson's, ... , well, who cares?)

these people have never run.  the soldiers in the u.s. military come from here, if you understand what i mean.  the kids who go off to war to test their mettle.

john jay @ 12.22.2012

alert!! warning!! sherluk marketing ....

update, and apology, 02.02.2013:  this is just to let you know that i received the parts i ordered from sherluk in the mail several days ago, all in good order.  i apologize for any upset i may have caused, and for being such a ninny.  and, several days ago i came across a listing of gun supply stores in a chat room thread, listing sherluk as a business of long standing in ohio.  sherluk has apparently been at this business for some time now, and in good standing.  end update. 

just be on the alert for sherluk marketing, which purports to market gun parts.

i attempted an order yesterday, and was sent a "receipt" for the order, only to be notified when i tried to contact them this morning to confirm shipping that the website was "closed" for maintenance.

this is not a good vibe.  i haven't confirmed any misdeeds as of yet, but, this is a bit disquieting.

john jay @ 12.21.2012