summer patriot, winter soldier

obama's "gun running" scheme out of libya carried surface to air missiles to port of iskenderun in turkey, about 60 miles from aleppo, syria ... syrian rebels start shooting syrian air force from skies in aleppo area .... with missiles .... hmmm

on november 3, 2012 i posted links to several articles detailing the arrival of a ship in turkey from libya delivering "man pad" missiles to the assad opposition forces in syria.  i predicted that such missiles would begin shooting down syria airplanes in pretty quick order.  http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2012/09/index.html .

well, color me blue and call me prophet, because these very events are coming to pass.

c.n.n., otherwise known as the communist news network, has posted a rather lengthy article detailing the downing of several syrian government helicopters and an air force fighter plane in the aleppo area.  the c.n.n. article claims that the downings were from the rebel use of captured soviet sams of some antiquity.  the "capture" of such weapons is attributed to the rebels overrunning some government installations as of late.  http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/29/world/meast/syria-missiles/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn .

they make no mention of the possibility of such weapons having been obtained from obama's libyan "fast & furious" program out of libya.  

sort of silent on that point.

ain't that a surprise.

it is a bit odd, though, that the syrian opposition forces have not had any success at all downing either government air force planes or helicopters to this point, though they have overrun numerous syrian government installations during the course of the fighting in that country.

yet, in the space of about 3 weeks from the arrival of the ship from libya reported to be carrying the "man pads," (shoulder held ground to air missiles, and quite good ones), the syrian opposition is suddenly shooting government planes and helicopters from the sky.

that seems an even odder "coincidence" to my mind.

you think about it, and make up your own mind.

john jay @ 11.29.2012

p.s.  the c.n.n. article attributes this to the syrian opposition using aged soviet sam-7 missiles.  it also mentions that the opposition forces have been using youtube video/training films to instruct their forces in the use of the weapons they now have apparently distribution throughout their forces in the aleppo area.

the sam-7's are as old as dirt.  i would be very surprised that the ex-military types who are heavily present in the opposition did not learn how to use them when they used to work for assad.  what, therefore, would be the purpose/utility in "instructing" them by youtube on their use?

the "man pads" taken out of libya, by contrast, are fairly new, sophisticated and accurate weapons.  it is not very likely that their use would be known by even ex-servicemen who have, afteral, only recently abandoned assad.  a youtube instructional film in the use of the "man pads" from libya would make sense.

as noted above, you make up your own mind on the issue.

as for me, i am of the opinion that the missiles brought in from libya in obama's gun running scheme are being put to use.  and, to my mind, this absolutely confirms the stories describing the trans shipment of missiles from libya to iskenderun, noted above.

lots of people afraid of "gun control" in the u.s. imposed by u.n. "treaties" .... embrace the fight, and thank god you don't have to die in your bed w/ i.v.'s stuck everywhere ....

....  and lying in a puddle of your own feces and urine.

lots of emails going around, afraid of u.n. treaties and the like imposing in our politics.

the big fear is the loss of our firearms, as people know instinctively that our guns are why we possess our freedoms.

this, typical of the email i am receiving from people of all walks.--

"we have heard that this and a couple other un treaties were coming down the pike.

in my opinion, these are a violation of the us constitution authority, and the sovereignty of the usa.

i think phone message will be recorded by some.  emails might work also.

/s/________________"

the email was entitled:  "read pray take actions & call/write congressmen."

this was my response to him.--

"_________________:

prayer is good.

but, buy guns.  buy ammo.   develop a prickly attitude, and get your affairs in order.  it is coming to this, i think.

best be prepared.  better to be ready to fight and not have to, than to have to, and not be capable of it either intellectually, emotionally or physically.

go into training, in all aspects of war.

/s/  john jay"

i have been saying this for some time now.

i think any conflict more likely to be initiated now, than later.  now, and the leftists/progressives can say, the right is loonie tunes and whacko, and we need to treat them like terrorists.  later, as the prospects for the loss of liberties are more obvious even to the densest among us, they will have a harder time explaining why their restraints on liberty & right are not precisely that.  by which time they hope fervently that we are to be disarmed.

personally, as far as i am concerned, the sooner the fight, the better.

right now, the military are with us (or, just as importantly, certainly have no love lost for obama).  right now, we are armed.

if there is to be a fight, let it be now.

john jay @ 11.28.2012

typical arab bullshit ... pick the fight ... get your ass kicked ... beg your way to a truce ... proclaim victory ... vow the destruction of israel ...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/22/world/meast/gaza-israel-strike/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn .  

why do we put up with these stupid bastards?

here's an idea.--

next time around, israel drives these assholes into the sea.  annihilates them.

then, the last hamas idiot standing can proclaim victory with his dying breath, and, the muslims finally having won a fight with the jews, can enjoy the peace they deserve.

just sayin'.

john jay @ 11.22.2012

p.s.  here's the deal.  not only are hamas stupid enough to believe their own claptrap, but there are many in the arab world idiotic enough to believe them.  it's truly unbelievable, but there it is, right there before your very eyes.

what hope is there?  how can such a people ever apprehend reality?  why do we bother to treat them as civilized human beings, who can be trusted to act in any sort of civilized manner.

the world would be far better off, simply shed of them.

 

Hamas claims Gaza victory as truce with Israel holds

every warrior knows the risk of his work, to include incompetent or indifferent command .... nonetheless, ....

every warrior knows the risk of his work, to include incompetent or indifferent command.  nonetheless, every warrior would prefer that his life not be squandered by dipshits.  that thought must surely rankle.

john jay @ 11.21.2012

there are no such men as "ex-navy seals" ....

there are navy seals who are on active duty.

there are navy seals who are on non-active duty, or rosters, or lists, ... , depending upon statutory definition.

there are no persons as "ex-navy seals," as a practical matter, simply because the skill sets possessed by navy seals make them "essential assets," and perpetually subject to a legal obligation to the call of duty, depending upon the needs of the u.s. department of defense, and other pertinent agencies with authority to invoke the statutes.  i would assume these duties might be terminable by physical and mental infirmity, or death, but it would require something along those lines to do it.

you can look it up.  i have.  i don't feel like spoon feeding anyone tonight.

the point is this.

the two navy seals killed along with ambassador chris stevens and his aide at benghazi, were not "ex-seals," or "private security" guys, or "mercenaries."

they were navy seals, and not adventurers or privateers, or anything like that.

not being located where they were.  not at that time.  not at that place.  it was no accident they were there, and it was no accident that they answered the call of duty placed upon them, and it was no accident they joined battle to try and protect american diplomatic personnel, to include the ambassador.  (it is something of a historical accident of tragic dimension that such men are subject to the beck and call of their lessers, in every respect that i can imagine.)

they were navy seals abandoned by the obama administration, abandoned by the central intelligence administration, abandoned by the department of defense and by the department of the navy, abandoned by the department of state, abandoned to their deaths as navy seals in the performance of their duty.

these two men were navy seals.  doing their duty.

how did abraham lincoln put it?

yes, these were men who "gave the last full measure" of their devotion to the country they so ably served, to be abandoned upon the battlefield by the cowards, scallywags and buffoons they served.

simply put, a monumental tragedy.

i shall remain devoted to trying to redress this, as best i can.  i do not forget.

john jay @ 11.21.2012 

the first toe to test the water .... susan rice, "i relied on intel ...," as basis for remarks ....

having done everything possible to discredit the only source that might counter their new meme, the obama administration advances susan rice to test the waters.

she is saying that her remarks some five days after benghazi were premised solely on intel provided to her.  "i relied 'solely and squarely' ..." on intel "... provided by the intelligence community ..." she is saying.  http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15344537-susan-rice-i-relied-solely-and-squarely-on-intel-given-to-me-for-benghazi-comments?lite .

you will note that she is not (apparently, such as i can glean from the nbc news article) specifying which intelligence agency provided her with that information.

democratic senator carl levin, chairman of the senate armed services committee, said that rice had been using " ... unclassified talking points ..." prepared by the "intelligence community."  http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/21/15344537-susan-rice-i-relied-solely-and-squarely-on-intel-given-to-me-for-benghazi-comments?lite .

so, the obama administration is going to "defend" the administration's performance in all of this by insisting that a full five days after stevens was killed, the government's "intelligence community" did not know what the hell happened.

that president obama did not tell them that he knew it was an al queda attack hours after it began?  while it was being filmed by a drone?  after the president of libya told the administration's "intelligence community" what had happened?

the administration's meme is apparently going to be, "it's their fault."

i guess george bush is out of the question.

how credulous is the media going to be?   laughing.  plenty enough, i should expect.  no hot water from them.

something this silly suggests that obama and minions are pretty sure they've weathered the storm, what little of it they anticipate.  no hurricane sandy here.

john jay @  11.21.2012

how to talk like a muslim diplomat, e.g., to lie with a straight face ....

khaled elgindy, writing as a special correspondent to c.n.n., writes in favor of a negotiated peace between abbas, hamas and israel to extricate the parties from "a circle of violence" scenario.  and, he does this just as though he means it.

dy-gaza/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn .  "how this could be the last gaza war."

he speaks gibberish.

he wants a "peace" in which israel makes concessions to hamas and abbas.  yet, this "peace" does not recognize the right of israel to exist as a state, and as a state which is the homeland of the jews.  i have said this before.  there is not much point in repeating or analysing it at length here.

and, that is not really what i want to talk about, nor the point i want to make.

what i want to point out is that you have to read this double talk claptrap carefully, in order to understand who it is and what it is that you are reading, and whether it can be given the slightest credence.

this elgindy fellow poses as a man of peace.

he is not.

read this passage:

despite the strong ties between the muslim brotherhood-led government in cairo and hamas, itself a brotherhood offshoot, the egyptians are unhappy with hamas' moves in both gaza and the sinai.

for any truce to hold, it must also include other stakeholders, namely palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas. hamas is likely to emerge from this most recent conflict militarily weakened but politically strengthened, earning the respect and sympathy of both palestinians and arabs across the region.

for abbas, however, the opposite is true. the crisis has highlighted his powerlessness and growing irrelevance, even sparking new anti-abbas protests in the west bank. abbas and his fatah-dominated leadership in the west bank have little to show for their rule except 20 years of failed negotiations and a feckless and bankrupt authority. but the fact that egypt is also the primary mediator in internal palestinian talks aimed at healing the split that has crippled the palestinian authority since the brief civil war of 2007 presents an opportunity to rehabilitate abbas while reining in hamas.  

"how this could be the last gaza war," http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opinion/elgindy-gaza/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn .

this passage reveals elgindy for what he is, and that is a hamas mouth piece, a hamas partisan.  keep in mind, that hamas and abbas kill each other with as much frequency and hatred as they exhibit for israel.

and, keep in mind something else.

the charter of hamas calls for the destruction of israel.  there can be "no last gaza war" as long as hamas, abbas and hezbollah call for the destruction of israel.

in other words, elgindy promotes "peace" even as he is sworn to war as a hamas operative.  in short, what elgindy is doing here is not advancing "peace" as he is sworn to everything but, when it comes to israel and the united states.  what the slimy bastard is really doing is promoting a "cease fire," to try and pull hamas's butt from out of the inferno it has called upon itself.  elsewhere in his article elgindy rather facilely lets it drips from his ink pen that if israel destroys or attempts to destroy hamas it will just bend their will in an effort to rebuild to attack israel again.  well, this sounds a reasonable observation.  but, it has a hollow ring to it, when you realize that hamas and abbas are sworn to destroy israel in the first instance.  as long as hamas and abbas are sworn to do this, nothing, absolutely nothing that israel does will dissuade hamas and abbas from trying to destroy it.

and, from waging war, aggression and provocation at every turn.  as, quite naturally, as they do, as they have done, and as they ever will do.

and, until they give that position up, there is no peace.  ever.

in short, khaled elgindy is a fraud.  no other conclusion can be drawn.

if you met khaled elgindy at a cocktail party in manhattan, he would try to charm your socks off, to promote islam, "palestine," and to get money to subsidize his efforts.  if you met him over a camp fire in afghanistan, your hand tied behind your back, he would cut your heart out with a dull spoon.

you must understand what these bastards say, when they ooze charm out their pores.  it is really venom.

john jay @ 10.20.2012

 

hamas says a "land war" can be avoided, if israel just gives it what it wants .... no word on what they want next ....

hamas is remaining silent as to just when they would like the israelis to march dutifully into the sea.

smarmy bastards.  http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/20/opinion/elgindy-gaza/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn .

read the whole article.  i just glanced at what the lying son of a bitch was saying, typical terrorist speak, but i didn't happen to notice anything about hamas, abbas, hezbollah, and the rest of the arab/islamic world offering to recognize israel's right to exist as a jewish state, the homeland of the jews.

until then, i would suggest that the israelis continue to shoot, until the ammo runs out. 

john jay @ 11.20.2012

ballistics .... say you don't want to go to all the trouble ....

say you don't want to go to all the trouble of fabricating cases just so you can make the "jj's brit?" ™   you have no wish to have such a trick little cartridge in an ar-15 sized package.

well, then, were i you and still interested in a nice little cabin gun, i would simply buy a little lever gun in the 7-30 waters cartridge.  a marlin 336 would work quite nicely, especially with hornady's "leverevolution" ammo.  (that may not be spelled correctly, who cares?  it is a contrived word in the first place.  the thing is, the ammo has a soft plastic tip that protects primers in live ammo.  that's good.  trust me.)

my little brit and the 7-30 cartridge have very similar case capacities, when "chopped" off at the case shoulder.  that means they can achieve relatively similar levels of performance, w/ similar powders and bullets.  the edge goes to my little brit because of its far more robust case construction, and resultant ability to handle higher pressures.

a 150 to 200 lb mammalian simply won't notice the difference.

john jay @ 11.20.2012

p.s.  i'd outfit the rifle with a nice little weaver scope, 1.5 to 2 power would be just about right.  such a combination would be very serviceable to about 150, to 200 yards, or so.  and, yes, it will go farther, if you figure out how to direct the rifle's fire.

hamas says a "land war" would cost israel & netanyahu dearly ...

so nice that a hamas official would be so concerned about the welfare of israel and its prime minister.  too bad they are not so solicitous of israeli interests when it comes to rocket attacks on her citizens.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/19/15274023-hamas-says-land-war-would-cost-israeli-pm-netanyahu-the-election?lite .

and i thought that hamas was ready to fight anytime anywhere.  instead, they are begging israel not to attack, and still trying to posture like the tough guys they would like to be.  murderers, thugs, rapists and sadistic brutes, yes.  tough, no.

and smart enough to know that if israel brings in armor and ground troops like the last time, then hamas and its iranian advisers will get the living shit kicked out of them.  well, let me curtail the use of polemic for just a bit, and say it in a straight forward manner.  what israel will do, just as it did with hezbollah, is to kill those of hamas who stand and fight, and by so doing will annihilate its most zealous cadres, and its most capable fighters.  only those who turn from the fight against professional infantry and armor will live to lie about their "bravery."   and, to enforce their rule and prestige among their fellow "palestinians" by the time honored arab/islamic techniques mentioned above, that being murder, thuggery, rape and sadism.  against defenseless persons, by the way.  always.

survival of the beasts, as it were.

i have been saying for years that israel has absolutely destroyed the cadres of hezbollah and hamas every time she has fought them.  were it otherwise, were the agitprop bleating of the arabic poseurs of any substance, were they actually capable of standing and fighting against israeli attack, they would be begging for it.

they would join it.  instead, they shrink from what they have provoked.  he who turns and runs away, lives to pose, another day ... .

instead, they cower, and bleat for the west to intervene and save them from the fight that they initiated and instigated with their rocket assaults.

my sincerest hope is that israel goes in with ground forces, and kills hamas operatives and cadres by the droves.  i also hope that when israel has them cornered, that she goes in and finishes the job, instead of letting the bastards off the ropes one more time.  i know that in so doing israel will absorb infantry casualties, and i know that israel abhors this.  but, surely, surely, someone must realize at some level of government and military operations, that to let some hamas fighters escape the fate they so richly deserve is just to expose israel to another round of this nonsense about 5 or 6 years down the road.

kill them now. kill them before the rats go over the ship, and seek the safety of the sea.  and, if it takes collateral damage to do it, then so be it, as hamas has sought the protection of innocents to perpetuate evil.  the death of arab civilians is on them, and not on israel.

to not do so at this point, to not attack men instead of machines, (again), is to perpetuate the doctrine of "free war" that has been extended to the arabs/muslims, and to ensure that no real strategic and tactical damage is done to them for starting the war.  it is, in fact, to let the arabs wage war for "free," as what they have suffered for their transgressions to this point really amounts to nothing.  israel always stops killing them right at the point where she might in fact destroy their ability to fight: i hope this does not happen again.

if so, it will all happen again.  and, again.  and, again.  as long as the arabs get to fight "free war."

john jay @ 11.19.2012

p.s.  if arabs were half as good at fighting as they are at puffing out their chests before the cameras, they might be a force to contend with.  if theatre were war, they would be great.

but, they are not.  they are blowhard bullies, and they vanish before genuine battle.  i have always taken great satisfaction in the truth of seeing able bodied "warriors" piling into red cross vans as they flee the battlefield, no better confirmation of their abject cowardice could ever be recorded.

yes, they are cold blooded murderers and killers before the camera with bound captives, but they are abject cowards in close quarters battle.  as it has been, and it is, and as it ever shall be.