let history judge .... obama needs to be examined on the matter of his islamic faith .... the issue needs to be solved, as a matter of public policy ....

as a matter of sound public policy, barack obama needs to be examined on the issue of his islamic faith.

obama professes to be a christian.  well, joe stalin did, too, when he needed russian orthodox christians to fight the nazi's, this after he had persecuted them and murdered them and expropriated their lands during and after the revolution.

his gratitude was short lived, ending just at the end of wwii.

obama professes to be a christian, so that he is not bothered by questions about his muslim faith, by the public or by the press.  so far, on this issue, the press has given him an absolute free ride.  in spite of the fact that he was born muslim, in spite of the fact that he was educated in a madrassa, in spite of the fact that he attended the mosque with his step father as a child, in spite of the he has commented on his "muslim faith," and in spite of the fact that he holds annual religious observation in the white house with muslim faithful while spurning traditional ceremonies involving jews and christians.   in spite of all this, the republicans and the public have given obama a free ride as well, and he has never been examined as to the matter of his faith.

the jihad rages.  obama and the democrats have pursued a foreign policy to engage islam.  obama would not drop the hammer on osama bin laden, and bin laden was killed only when panetta, clinton and the armed services preempted obama, and struck without his knowledge.

obama says major nadal hasan’s jihad at fort hood was “workplace violence.”

he says he will visit all 57 states.  (reminder:  the u.s. has 50, the o.i.c. has 57.  coincidence?)

and, we give obama a free ride on the issue of whether he is a muslim.

so, what does it mean when a muslim professes to be a christian?

well, oddly enough, it is not exactly on outright lie, although it is an absolute deception.  i am not splitting hairs or engaging in delicate distinction.

it all has to do with islamic theology.  or, to state the matter more clearly, it has to do with the fact that islam really isn't about theology per se, but is very distinctly about political control.

you must understand what mohammed said about the faith he propounded to the arabs, in their own language, so that they might understand.

mohammed says in the koran so many times that he brings to the arabs the exact same gospel as brought to the jews and christians by abraham, moses, david, john the baptist and jesus christ.  mohammed claims to have been present with these worthies with god, when god told them that mohammed would come later to espouse the same gospel as they, but that they are not to reveal him in prophesy, as they revealed so many other things.

mohammed does not dispute the gospel as espoused by these predecessors of prophesy, but repeatedly says that his message, the matters that he brings to the arabs as god's messenger, is the same gospel.

mohammed says that jesus is not god, and not the son of god, and not god incarnate.  he does, say, however that jesus is a prophet of god, and that he teaches the very same gospel, the very same revealed message of god, as did moses, as did david, as did abraham, and as did jesus.

so, in a very technical sense, for one to say that he follows the teaching of the testaments, and of jesus, is not to deny the teaching of mohammed, as mohammed has revealed in the koran that what he reveals is the same as the other great prophets have brought to mankind of god's direction and teaching.

so, in a very technical sense, for one to profess worshipping the teachings of jesus is simply, in the terms of the koran, is to profess worshipping the teachings of mohammed, as well.  simply to say that one observes jesus's teaching is not to deny the primacy of islam, by the very pronouncements of mohammed.

for any imam or ayatollah to say otherwise, is to contradict mohammed, and that would be heresy, punishable by death.

so, in my view, it is not the end of the inquiry simply because obama says he is "christian," in the face of the other very many factors which say he is muslim.

he needs to be examined more closely on this matter.

he needs to be asked if he believes that jesus was a prophet of god.  if he says yes, he is in accord with christian and islamic teaching.

he needs to be asked if he believes that jesus was a man.   if he says yes, he is in accord with christian and islamic teaching.

he needs to be asked, point blank, if he believes that jesus was the son of god.  that he was spirit made corporeal by god's creation.   if he says no, then he is not an observant worshipper of jesus as the christian trinity, as the son of god and as god incarnate.   if he says yes, then he has denied the teaching of mohammed, and he has turned his back upon one of the prime tenets of islam, that jesus is not god: mohammed says the one god cannot be split into three separate entities, because, by definition, there is only one god.

obama needs to be asked, point blank, whether he believes that he obtains his salvation and eternal life through his faith in the person of jesus, the son of god, and now in heaven with his father.

the issue of jesus’s divinity is crucial.  one simply cannot be an observant christian, cannot believe that jesus is his savior, unless one believes in and professes the belief that jesus was divine.  one can be a deist, as ben franklin and likely thomas jefferson, but one is not a christian if he is a deist, e.g., does not believe in the holy trinity.

next, obama needs to be asked, whether or not mohammed is a man.  he will say yes.

then, he needs to be asked, whether in fact mohammed is a prophet of god.  his answer here will be telling, but, it is not the final inquiry.   because, it does not yet deal with the final issue of finality.

at long last, obama needs to be asked, whether in fact mohammed is the last true prophet of god.   if he says yes, then he is by definition a muslim, and adherent of islam, and by exclusion he cannot be a christian as he has professed.   for mohammed has said, remember, that jesus though a major prophet, is not the final prophet, and that he has been directed to reveal by prophesy that jesus is not final, not divine, and is merely human.

if obama acknowledges that, then all his avowals of being christian are for naught.

so, obama is not lying outright about being a "christian" if he is in fact an observant muslim, ... , not until these ultimate questions are asked.   and, the fact that he attended reverend wright's congregation for many years does not preclude his muslim faith, as wright's congregation was so tied in and so closely connected with louis farrakhan's black muslim faith as to be identical to it.

so, these few questions must be asked of obama, and the issues reflected in them examined and scrutinized before we can say definitively what religion obama adheres to.   it is not enough for him to say he is an observant christian, when his birth, education, upbringing and ideological associations are brought under scrutiny.  

related to this topic, i am not aware that obama has attended christian services, bowed his head in prayer in a christian church, in any other building and with any other congregation than wright's pan african socialist liberation congregation.

he bows to muslim potentates.   he does not bow to christian rulers, and treats them rather with the radical's disdain.

he does not hold christian observances of faith in the white house.

in my view, he is muslim.   and, he should be examined on the issue.   closely, and with care.

now, i don't think one has to be christian in order to be president of the united states.  a man or woman might be jewish.  or hindu.   or, even agnostic or an atheist and still be qualified in a political and ethical sense to hold office.   but, obama has said that he is a christian.  his other behavior, and his diplomatic and political favoritism of the muslim and arab world suggests quite strongly that this is not true, and that he engages in deception on the issue.

he should be pressed on the matter.

yes, obama can and quite likely would take refuge in taqiyya, e.g., he will lie and deny that he is muslim.   and, profess his christian faith.

if he does so, we will judge him.  but, the issue must be examined.

john jay @ 10.18.2012

 

p.s.  except on the two points of jesus's divinity and the issue of monotheism, the koran is not an especially devout or theologically oriented book.

what it is about, is mohammed claiming the right to guide the jewish and christian faiths, because the jews and the christians have eschewed the covenants and strictures of their worship of god.  mohammed says that they have strayed from the path, that they no longer obey god, and it is time for the arabs under mohammed's guidance to usurp the place of the jews and the christians.   he says, repeatedly, that their faith has lapsed, and they are to be displaced.

that, friends, is what the koran and islam is all about.

it is about mohammed asserting and obtaining leadership over monotheism, in all its forms.

and, naught else.

perhaps obama should be asked, who should lead the jewish and christian and islamic observation of the love and worship of the one true god.  my guess is, obama would say, islam.   and, not jesus christ.   for, the teaching of christ, in obama's mind, is subsumed by the worship of islam.

Comments

[sDee]

You have laid this out well john jay. All of the evil and subversion that led to the installation of Barack Hussein Obama will be whitewashed by "historians" and, in doing so American will never learn from what has been a very expensive and deadly embrace of marxism.

And yes, I believe in the Holy Trinity. That is shirk, the gravest of sins in islam. Here I am proud to stand.

[john jay]

sDee:

thanks for the thumbs up.

i agree w/ your point on history and the historians, since most of them are little disguised marxists in the first place.

this war we have w/ the jihad and the left is largely faith based in my estimation.

what they try to exploit is the weakening faith the west has in its institutions, political and religious.

the strongest antidote we have to both attacks is our own faith in or religious, ethical and moral underpinnings.

simple as that, in my view. we take care of our own house, we don't have to worry about burglars, or who builds next door.

john

[john jay]

rod:

i have "unpublished" your comment on this post.

if was far too lengthy, and off topic. i enjoy your comments, but this one went too far afield.

john