use 'em, or loose 'em. that's the way I see it.
john jay @ 02.09.2016
use 'em, or loose 'em. that's the way I see it.
john jay @ 02.09.2016
herschel smith at "the captain's journal," along with others to whom he cites, has done the leg work on these topics, so i will simply link you to his house for the reading. in short, be advised that the film linked below clearly shows the blm disdain for cows and ranchers, and clearly shows that for environmental zealots they have a clear vision of the piggy bank. (and, i would add that the "cattle warning" sign that they bandy about is probably a sign stolen from the oregon state highway department: unless they loaned it to the environmental types to aid them in cheerleading the land grab from oregon ranchers.)
the first link. the rich get richer, and the fat get fatter, and they like to sup over their triumphs. and, gloat upon them.--
http://youtu.be/7jeLi14p-KU -- hat tip, dan g.
the second link. herschel smith at "the captains journal" explains how a little town & county in southeastern oregon, which most of you have never heard of, is helping the clintons and the russians get rich from mining uranium, and how the pious blm posing as environmentalists, is all to happy to tear up ground under a grouse preserve to help them line their pockets.
all of you "progressive thinkers" out there, you modernists, should be quite proud to learn that bland mollusk like bureaucrats can do a pretty fair imitation of the robber barons you despise so much.
and, an update --
http://www.captainsjournal.com/ . proprietor, mr. herschel smith
there you have it. go to those websites, and watch, listen and read, ... , and learn how good old fashioned greed and a lust for ill gotten profit are displacing ranchers and farmers like the hammonds who now sit in prison, and destroying the likes of robert "lavoy" finicum who now resides underground. where money is involved, the greed of those in power causes them to trample the little guy. they like to do it in shadows, and in the dark, so it is nice to shine a little light on them.
john jay @ 02.05.2016
the remains of a couple missing for several days have been found in a wood stove belonging to a local handy man, and "debris" were found in his yard as well. in addition to that, "numerous knives and saws" were also found at his residence. my guess is, the dna evidence is gonna be pretty extensive: sounds like a killer who enjoyed his work.
my guess is that obama will use an "executive order," number 746,987 of his presidency, to ban wood stoves, knives and saws. "they" did it. the compelled the handyman into being a deranged killer. simple as that.
john jay @ 02.07.2016
p.s. horrible crime. committed by a deranged bastard.
did you know that knives, axes, saws, blunt objects, fists and other miscellany "account" for as many homicides as intentional killings by firearms? (you lefties can ignore this ... you don't care about facts in the "gun debate," you simply don't want your "lessers" to have the means to redress their grievances, politically. simple as that.)
you shot lavoy finicum. you created the furor over his death, by causing his death. you have possession of the autopsy results, along w/ the oregon state police, i presume.
your reputation is sullied, to say the absolute least. it is your public duty given the controversy surrounding your conduct in his shooting to release the autopsy. you claim that he was shot reaching for a pistol hidden in his jacket. others, who have watched the video see his last gestures as consistent with reaching towards a wound to his lower abdomen.
you need to face this issue: it is not going away. your silence indicates only that you feel you have to hide the facts. the best way to address these matters is to release the autopsy, or, at the very least, to release an accurate summary of the autopsy results, including a full disclosure of all the wounds to his body caused by gunfire at his death. and, in the interest of full & transparent disclosure, to summarize the gunshots that were fired at him, and that struck his body. (every police officer "logs" his ammunition supply, and, in the event of firing ammunition, he is to indicate the number of rounds fired.)
your failure to do so only causes further speculation about the wounds he received. and, raises serious doubt about the conduct of the f.b.i. and the osp during the shooting death of lavoy finicum. your silence does nothing to dispel the questions about your conduct.
right now, you do not look so good.
john jay @ 02.04.2016
p.s. i have no interest in reading the officer's reports on the incident. such reports are like to be more self serving than truthful. i will leave it to finicum's private counsel to explore such matters on deposition and discovery, to get to the truth of the matter.
lavoy finicum was shot in the face, and perhaps again in the head, according to information that is spreading quite rapidly on the net. these reports, based on a facebook entry, indicate that he was shot an additional 7 times.
that kind of a shot and resulting wound was done for a purpose of intimidation, and creating fear of the power of the police and their prowess as killers.
that kind of a shot also indicates that he was killed at the relative leisure and ease of his killers. and, that his death was not as a result of self defense, as the time to take that sort of shot was not made by an officer under duress, or fear of his life.
the killers were not pressed for time, they were not shooting quickly because their lives were in danger. indeed, they did not "know" a pistol was in his pocket (by their own version of events) until 10 minutes after his death, and as none of them had ever seen a pistol in his hand. (how could they, "it was in his pocket." he did not take it out and threaten officers with it, and then place it back in his pocket, as his head was exploding. we can be relatively certain of that. again, this is based upon the fbi's own account of the shooting, made at a press release in portland, oregon.
nope, they took their time, aimed for his head and face because they were not fearing for their own lives, and killed him to create the utmost impact of fear and revulsion among their intended audience. oh, they don't give a rip about you, you'll forget about this before the 1st half of the super bowl is finished ... they did this to quell the "sage brush rebellion" that has been festering in the western united states for years. let me give you a hint, ... , they made no friends among ranchers and hands out west.
this was a cold, calculated and planned shooting. it was the killing of a man to make an example of him, and to quiet his voice, which they must have found disturbingly effective. oh, they will have ample pretext, and there will follow an inevitable parade of abjectly humble officers who will mouth that they feared for their lives, and had no choice but to shoot him at absolutely point blank range. and, that time and circumstance permitted no hesitation, for to hesitate would have cost them their very lives. so multiple officers shot him.
and, had time to shoot him in the face. i want to watch the officer explain how he managed to shoot a man in the face with a high powered rifle from feet. not yards. not hundreds of yards. but, feet.
oh, they, there's always a "they" in such matters, will explain how they are so well trained for such situations, and that their skills are honed by constant practice. well, you cannot have it both ways. if they are so damned good at what they do, surely from feet away, they would have noted that he held nor brandished a weapon visible to any of them, at any time during finicum's execution.
and, if they were so damned good as to shoot him in the face, they damn well should have seen what was going on. the fact is, they had all the time in the world to aim and make the shot, and lavoy finicum's time on this spinning orb was expiring.
i cannot tell you how cold, cruel & ruthless this group of shooters was. that was the most heinous act they could have performed, to shoot a man point blank in the face with a high powered rifle.
i want to know who commanded this fiasco. i want to know who was responsible.
john jay @ 02.03.2016
p.s. no press reports on this matter, (that i have googled), nor will there ever be, unless the fbi feeds the servile bastards a self serving portion of ... . the press are not only physical cowards, they are intellectual cowards. they unleash their powers, only when it serves the leftist regime. otherwise, it is crickets in the meadow. and, that's a fac', jack.
a photograph of an email appearing on free north carolina @ blogspot.com purporting to be from a barbara davis indicates that lavoy finicum was shot 9 times at the road block in which he was killed, once in the face. the email also indicates that the serial number on the pistol "recovered" on his body was reported stolen several years ago.
i can find no confirmation of this in the mainstream media. that means relatively little, as the mainstream does little else than repeat the fbi lie/mantra/meme that finicum was an extremist.
this business of a stolen gun being found on his body is quite interesting to me. now, if it was reported stolen in arizona, new mexico or utah that would be one thing. and, it would be something that would do little to resolve a growing controversy about this shooting, and the fbi conduct of it during and after lavoy finicum was shot and killed. but, if the gun were in fact reported stolen, and the theft occurred in oregon or washington, that would be extremely interesting.
lavoy linicum resided in arizona, or utah, to the best of my knowledge. he was active in the mormon church, and its leadership. not the sort of fellow, by all accounts, to be trafficking in stolen guns.
this raises the issue, about the origins of the fbi and oregon state police personnel who organized and carried out the road block. although the road block was basically bungled, and most probably illegal as a "deadman's roadblock" (it having no exit for the person sought to be caught to escape the roadblock ... hey, i don't make these things up), it had the flavor of a "swat" sort of operation. the civilian cops version of special operations, and specialized training.
so, i doubt they raised all these guys up in harney county. in case you are counting, harney county has 7,126 full time overnight permanent residents. 7,126 people. four or five cops at the first roadblock (where they did not manage to kill anyone, and where they did not come under fire), and maybe 6 or 7, or 7 or 8 cops at the second illegal roadblock (where they did manage to kill someone standing all by himself without concealment in the middle of a snow bank, knee deep in snow, and where they did not come under fire. of course they didn't, or they would have killed everyone in that pickup, dead as stones, just like lavoy finicum.)
friends, that's probably 10 or 11 oregon state police and fbi (pick a name for them, i don't care) .... , what, "types", in harney county at one time. no, they are not there full time, and they aren't there full time in flak vests and fully automatic weapons.
so, they came from outside. a select group. gathered for their "skills" in apprehending big time felons. (which lavoy finicum was not. period.)
where did the shooters come from? where had they received their training? where did they get their intel?
and, were they from, collectively or individually, from the jurisdiction where that gun "found" on lavoy finicum was "reported" stolen? now, i have a bias. and, that bias is in favor of believing in the reputed practice of cops to "plant" guns when they need to, and to have "throwaway" guns in their possession in order to plant it, when the occasion calls for it. i worked with and against cops for 25 years in a law career that involved the prosecution and defense of major felonies, to include murder and the like, and the defending of unlawful death civil actions brought against cops.
i didn't just hear the concept of a plant gun yesterday. nosiree bob!!
if that gun were in fact stolen, and if in fact that gun was reported stolen out of a jurisdiction or locale from which one or more of the officers involved in that shooting worked and/or resided, that lends a very large credence to the assertion or belief that the 9mm pistol was planted on lavoy finicum's body after his death.
and, if as part of the plea negotiations involved in this case, someone is persuaded or cajoled into saying finicum had the pistol on him, and in his possession, well, that begs looking in to as well. say if such a person receives a sweetheart deal in exchange for such testimony, while his or her fellow fry. oh, yeah, the girl is the weak link. i am not telling tales out of school on that.
it is an interesting topic, isn't it.
oddly enough, it is not pivotal to me in looking at this shooting.
to me, what is interesting, is the "suggested fact" that lavoy finicum was shot nine times. hands raised. hands lowered. when was he shot? was the lowering of his hands in response to being wounded by gun fire by one or several of the yahoo's who manned that roadblock? was the behavior which engendered his point blank shooting death in fact engendered by being wounded by gun fire before the guy from the woods shot finicum from arm's reach?
that, friends, is the part that stinks. and, that is the part that suggests he was killed on order. as i watch the film i see no reason for any gun shots to have been fired at all, and every reason to think that finicum could have been easily apprehended without gunfire. all the cops had to do was let him stand out in that snowbank, and think a little bit.
instead, the idiot who came from the woods and charged up to finicum percipitated the shooting. he "made" the situation into an emergency, which "justified" finicum's execution. my prediction? the cops who followed orders to kill finicum, will now be prosecuted criminally for his death. so much for being a loyal minion of the state.
john jay @ 02.02.2016
p.s. you know my fondest hope? i hope that right now the phone wires are burning from finicum's family to jerry spence, the famous wyoming cowboy who takes on the state. i hope spence hires on, and he sues everybody in oregon from the governor on down to the cop who shot finicum for wrongful death, and excessive use of unlawful lethal force in his "apprehension." down to the last damned dime of the whole bunch of them.
i want to see the autopsy report, and i want to see how many times lavoy finicum was shot, where he was struck, by what caliber bullet(s), from what direction, and by whose gun.
i want to see the same information w/ regard to ryan bundy.
i want to see the pickup, and the damage done to it by direct fire, and count the bullet holes.
i want to know how many rounds were fired by the oregon state police, and by the f.b.i. (oh, yes, they keep track of that. an officer checks out so much ammo, and gives an account of his fire. each and every round fired should be accounted for in this incident, truthfully. the longer it takes to become public, the more i will be convinced that it has been doctored.) i want to see how many concussion grenades were thrown into the bundy pickup.
and, i want to know whether all this gun fire, and use of these grenades, was going on before, during or after lavoy finicum was gunned down.
and, i want to know who was "in charge" of this fiasco, this "keystone cops" tragedy, if anyone.
john jay @ 01.29.2016
p.s. nothing, btw, from the fucking media on any of this. no pictures of the truck. no analysis or reporting of what went on, except from the f.b.i. agent's account given in portland, oregon. which is, in my opinion, "highly sanitized." i am sorry, but, after many years working the criminal law beat, as a prosecutor attorney and a public defender, i have little faith in the accuracy of law enforcement reporting. i cannot tell you how sorry i am about that.
i want to see the bundy pickup. we know that the occupants of the pickup came under fire, as one of them was wounded. i want to see the pickup, to know the extent of that fire. and, i want to know, was the pickup coming under fire before and while lavoy finicum was being cut down.
and, i want to know the extent of the wounding of the person in the pickup, and when it occurred.
i also want to know how many times lavoy finicum was shot: most cops will put a couple three shots into a "suspect."
and, i want to know what laws the state of oregon says the occupants of that pickup were violating, to justify a lethal force felony stop. and, just how they had determined probable cause in that particular instance that laws were being violated.
john jay @ 01.29.2016
p.s. i hope that the families involved, and whose family members were shot/killed/injured in all of this, hire jerry spence.
i've been watching films of the oregon state police "interacting" w/ citizens in southeastern oregon.
now, little lefties, you tell me that you are gonna be able to handle the thug w/ the smokey bear hat after he has disarmed the rest of america. you tell me, that when he walks up to you for "protection", rubbing his hands in gleeful anticipation, that you are gonna be able to handle that gorilla.
you get, little lefties, ultimately what you deserve. when that thug figures out that all that stands between him and rule, is you, that he is not gonna walk right over the top of you, leaving the hob nail boot tracks right on your effete little kisser.
you'll get yours last, but, you'll get it.
john jay @ 01.28.2016
to all you little lefties who got a tingle up your legs watching lavoy finicum hitting the snow covered ground & and watching his death throes, and who are so very proud that some of your minions did such a bang up job killing him.
well, now you know that your minions will kill for you. it is good to know, eh? (admit it, you had your doubts if they would or not. so did i: i harbor no such delusion now. i have re-calibrated.)
i have one question for you.--
how are you going to control them? (it is, btw, the same problem the romans had with the legions, if you read your history. you know, b.m. before marcuse.) when the time comes, who is going to take the guns from them? who is going to control a bunch of fellows willing to shoot a man down from six feet, when that man is unarmed? you, my little lefties(?) .... oh, yeah, you betcha.
who is going to prevail in a contest between killers (who kill) and pussies (who order it)? who, indeed.
john jay @ 01.28.2016