summer patriot, winter soldier

double down, and go operational w/ absolute impunity .... the "impenetrable" cover ....

as noted, debka advances the theory that the chechnyan brothers were double agents.   i find the theory quite plausible, and even likely.  http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/a-comment-by-sdee-at-the-right-scoop-the-two-chechnyans-were-perhaps-double-agents-who-went-south-on.html .

and, very troubling, extremely disturbing.

think of it.

if you are a terrorist, or want to be a terrorist, or have leanings that way, then all you have to do to gain your skills and learn your craft and obtain your materials, supplies and arms, and to espouse your cause, ... , well, all you have to do to do that with absolute impunity is to become a double agent for one of the western intelligence agencies.

and prepare, and go operational at your leisure, when you have picked your target.

not to mention, to have enough money to live on, and even partake in a little luxury, or buy a luxury item, such as a mercedes benz automobile.  i've been lying awake this night, thinking of that mercedes.  where, or where, did a couple of kids immigrated in from chechnya, get all the money to buy a mercedes?   and, even more impressively, where did they get the money to have a mercedes worked on by a mercedes mechanic: those guys don't come cheap, you know.

in my little addled attic, this is the sort of detail that just ties the bow over the gift wrap on the debka package, and makes the notion that these kids were double agents "who went bad" go from plausible, to probable.

but, i digress.  let us move back to "doubling down" as the perfect cover for a fundamentalist and/or romantic islamic terrorist.  how delicious, for such a person to contemplate his own cleverness and treachery, and to know that his coming attacks are being funded by his enemy.

to my mind, such considerations determine with chilling logic and rational consideration the absolute & utter stupidity of using muslims as "double agents."  what in god's name do you offer them to secure their loyalty, and their trust.

and, god's name is the direct issue.  isn't it.

for, it is to god that a muslim owes his obeisance.  his obedience.  his loyalty.   and, to a devout muslim, no earthly consideration is going to sway that.   and, to a devout muslim, no earthly consideration is going to alter the fact that the infidel is not only his enemy, but, allah's.

it is utter stupidity to think otherwise.   it is intellectual delusion, to the point of depravity, to think that it can be otherwise.  i think that we have a lot of stupid people in our intelligence circles.

and, one conniving, calculating, despicable rat  bastard in the white house.

john jay @ 04.21.2013

p.s.  the chechnyan brothers.  the brothers ___________ .  (you write the name in, it disgusts me.)  the perfect foils, the perfect employees for some.  and, to the brothers ____________, some employers make the perfect & moneyed, useful idiots. 

the "patron" as victim, as it were.

a comment by sDee at "the right scoop" ..... the two chechnyans were perhaps "double agents" who went south on u.s. intelligence .....

if you've been reading about the two chechnyans who bombed the boston marathon, you've probably come across a bit of a head-scratching statement from the mother of the two.   i don't have access to it right now because i thought it typical dissembling from a bereaved parent, but, she maintained that the "f.b.i." had been in "contact" with her, and her sons all along.  and, that they were working for the united states.

i will try to find the articles i've seen this in, and provide a link here.

looking at my traffic stats, i found a link to this article at the "right scoop," describing the spontaneous joy that erupted in boston upon the capture of the younger brother, alive.  http://www.therightscoop.com/awesome-boston-crowd-celebrates-sings-star-spangled-banner-after-jihadi-terrorist-captured/ .

in the comments to the post, was a letter from sDee, making her "per usual" thoughtful contribution to the discussion.  sDee knows her stuff.  she also has done a lot to promote this blog by mentioning me at other places.  it should be understood, that what i am saying is, that when sDee comments on you favorably, you grow in the estimation of others.

well, she had linked and excerpted my article of the red-bellied "black widow" michelle obama visiting the saudi national who was a "person of interest" in all of this, prior to his deportation, and after he was injured while in attendance at the boston marathon.

she also linked and excerpted another article, from debka, which advances the argument that the brothers were actually hired to be double agents designed to penetrate al queda, but, that they had turned on their handlers, e.g., u.s. intelligence & saudi sponsors, and had carried out the attack on their own, ... , in essence, going rogue.

the link is as follows, http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap .

that would, therefore, lend credence to what the men's mother was saying, and supply some very meaningful context to the events leading up to them perpetrating the bombing at the boston marathon.

if true, it suggests, very strongly, that it is a very dangerous game indeed, trying to use muslims and persons from an islamic background as infiltrators into islamic terror.  so dangerous as to be foolhardy, in my estimation.

when a person is infused with a fundamentalist religion, when he is inculcated in a matter of faith and a belief in god that transcends all other interests, it is foolhardy to expect that person to be capable of being swayed by "earthly" considerations, such as money or other material inducements.  faith is a very powerful thing, and ones loyalty to a religion or his conception or experience of loyalty to the commands of his god are not to be taken lightly.

if that is what happened, then, indeed, whoever were the handlers of these two men created monsters.  monsters, who acted against us.

john jay @ 04.20.2013

p.s.  i have re-read the article, very thoroughly.

such matters are at best a bit murky, and i doubt anyone from u.s. intelligence is going to endorse the debka article.   but, there are things which seem to substantiate it.

first, there is the matter of the mother's statements that her children were in contact with u.s. intelligence types, e.g., the "f.b.i." well before the events culminating in the boston marathon bombing.

second, an interesting fact is related by the debka article, which is substantiated or if sustainable, greatly bolsters the authenticity of their narrative.  and, that is, the older brother made a trip to russia before the russians asked the f.b.i. to "vet" him.  if this is the case, then it is quite likely that both u.s. and russian intelligence were interested in using the boys to penetrate islamic fundamentalism and islamic terror in chechnya and the caucasia.  why would the soviet remnant be interested in a young man at all, given that he had no presence on their radar?

third, it is after the return of the elder brother to the united states, according to debka, that he began to espouse islamic radicalism and terror.

and, finally, there is the enrollment of the younger brother into dartmouth university, an institution of learning which otherwise probably would have been inaccessible to him, according to debka.  in short, according to the article, the younger brother didn't have the grades to gain admission.

but, gain admission he did.  debka theorizes/speculates that this was a cost exacted by the brothers for their recruitment into u.s. intelligence.

and, it makes sense.   as does the entire situation, including parental narrative and the like, when viewed in the context of the debka supposition.

i do not expect the obama administration to be any more forthcoming on this, then they have been w/ regard to the debacle of benghazi.  but, if debka has it right, then this most certainly is a more damning failure of the obama policies on intelligence and foreign affairs than was benghazi.

innocents have died on american soil.  this is unforgivable.  just as was the death of a u.s. border patrol agent killed by a firearm wielded by mexican drug smugglers, the weapon obtained in an ill-conceived and botched a.t.f. scheme to smuggle guns illegally into mexico.  (it is estimated that more than 300 mexican nationals have been killed with those guns, most of them not involved w/ the cartels.)

twice now, if the debka analysis is to prove compelling, the u.s. intelligence agencies have been badly burned by dabbling in dangerous games involving islamic terrorists.   have we any reason to suspect that syria is going to turn out any better? 

and, three times now, the stupidity of b. "insane" obama and his minions have cost innocent bystanders their lives.

when is the son of a bitch gonna explain himself?   eh?

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the brazen bitch obama visits saudi bomb terrorist in hospital before he is deported ..... the obama's must go .....

it absolutely strains credulity, but it is true.

michelle obama, she of the black widow red bellied leather pant suit, visited abdul rahman ali issa al-salimi alharbi in a boston hospital where he was being treated for injuries received in the boston marathon bombing.

update, 04.24.2013.  in the linked article, photos of michelle obama and others visiting al-salimi alharbi in his hospital room, after the boston marathon bombing.  plain as day.  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/24/are-these-pictures-of-michelle-obama-visiting-the-saudi-student-put-on-a-watchlist-last-week/ .  in answer to the question in the title, yes, these are photos of the brazen bitch visiting al-salimi aharbi.   judge for yourself.  end update.

update, 04.20.2013.   were the chechnyan brothers another botched espionage adventure on the part of the obama administration?  were they rogue double agents, who slipped the traces of their american handlers in the obama administration, and like rabid dogs attacked americans on our own soil?  see as well, http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/a-comment-by-sdee-at-the-right-scoop-the-two-chechnyans-were-perhaps-double-agents-who-went-south-on.html .  this may very well be a botched operation by president obama even larger than the obama-clinton debacle of benghazi.  and, probably is.  end update.

yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who was named as a "person of interest" in the investigation of the terrorist bombing.   yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who is being deported from the united states on ground that he is a security risk.   and, yes, this is the same al-salimi alharbi who is a member of the saudi family with rich and historical connections to wahhabi terrorism and membership in al queda.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/saudi-paper-michelle-o-visited-person-of-interest/ .  read the full story here.

it must be asked, and it must be asked bluntly and plainly, just who in the fuck do the obama's owe their loyalty to?   islam.  or, the united states of america.

now, there is another issue that raises itself.   it is so obvious, that i cannot believe it is not the subject of raging debate in the united states.  and, that is, just how does it come about that a "person of interest" in the bombing, get injured in the bombing?  it seems to me way more than an amazing coincidence that someone who is implicated in the planning and execution of a bombing gets injured in the same bombing.   just what was he doing there?

the obvious implication, to anyone with a brain in their head, was that he was there to carry it out, and to watch his handiwork.

and, that brazen bitch obama visits him in the hospital.  i am telling you folks, it is time to take to the streets with pitch forks, burning staves, and such other supplementary arms as recent technology has provided us, and oust these islamic vipers from our white house.

if impeachment won't work, then it is time for the people to go to work, and do the people's handiwork.

john jay @ 04.20.2013

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we're boisterous, loudmouthed, sometimes irascible, even obnoxious, and always opinionated if not particularly informed ....

and, we are quite often profane and not very well mannered.

we have our guns.

we are free.  as i have observed before, you figure it out.

john jay @ 04.19.2013

p.s.   i will live free, and i will die free.  i will not live oppressed, and i sure as hell will not die oppressed.

hey, it all fits together.   and, it is just that damned simple.

here's the mosque & mentor .... and, here's the daddy of the little vipers ....

friends, you will notice that both of these links are from www.atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com, the blog of pamela geller.   her coverage on this is exemplary.   what can i say, i sleep, she doesn't.

in a previous post, i suggested we follow the trail to the mosque.

here it is.  "muslim cleric who inspired boston jihadis calls jews pigs and says, 'there is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a muhajid.'"  (may he get his wish, and, and soon.)   http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/04/muslim-cleric-who-inspired-boston-jihadis-calls-jews-pigs-and-says-there-is-nothing-more-beloved-to-.html .

there's your mentor.   the preacher, via australia and now spewing his hate in lebanon.  ah, the wonders of the internet.

and, here's the daddy.   he says his boys are "innocent," even as he poses in front of an islamic jihad flag.  "boston jihadi bombers dad warns 'hell will break loose' if son dies."  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/04/boston-jihad-bombers-dad-warns-hell-will-break-loose-if-son-dies.html .   seems to me that all hell broke loose with the little bastards alive, so what's the difference.

there you have it.

the jihad in america.  under the watchful eye of barack and michelle obama, the latter of whom, went to visit the saudi sponsor of these little vipers before he was deported.

john jay @  04.19.2013

p.s.  atlas shrugs reports that a suspect may be down in watertown.  let's hope the cops haven't killed him, so that he may be interrogated about the role of the saudi national in all this.

p.s.s.  i have also linked to an "useful" idiot below, in the center of the thumbnails.  he simply cannot process the facts, and denies any links to the bombing and jihad.  as i said, an "useful" idiot, but it is interesting that they flourish even in the midst of what appears undeniable evidence to the rest of us.

in the post-wwii years, there were "intellectuals" and "leftists" who denied the existence of the soviet gulags.  there are dullards who exist who deny the holocaust.  they simply cannot look upon truth without averting their gaze.

they are not to be pitied.  they are to be held in absolute contempt.   they serve evil, simply put.

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chechnyan "right wingers" .... oh, you betcha ....

yeah, right.

next.

john jay @ 04.19.2013

update, 04.19.2013.  reported at atlas shrugs, by pamela geller 19 april 2013.  no one is on top of these stories like pamela geller, i really don't know when she sleeps.  the story, entitled, "boston jihadi bombers members of wahhabi cell funded by saudi al queda."  http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/04/boston-jihadi-bombers-members-of-wahhabi-cell-funded-by-saudi-al-qaeda.html .   hey, what do you suppose this has to do with the expulsion/deportation of a saudi national, just after the bombing.  and, why would michelle obama have visited him in detention, as is being reported.  end update.

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-crimination-game-proclivities-weapons-.html .

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/the-bombing-suspects-are-brothers-ethnic-chechnyans-you-figure-it-out-.html .

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/04/never-let-a-camel-put-his-nose-in-your-tent-what-sense-then-does-it-make-to-ask-vipers-to-lie-w-you-.html .

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the bombing suspects are brothers, ethnic chechnyans .... you figure it out ....

the boston marathon bombers have been identified, so it would seem, and one of them killed in a gun fight with police in which a police officer was killed.  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/19/brothers-suspects-boston-marathon-bombings/2096281/ .

they are also ethnic chechnyans.

you figure it out.  you better figure it out, because it will take b. "insane" obama and his henchmen at the state department a while doing the math.   they have figured out nadal hasan at fort hood yet, and i suspect they'll end up promoting him again before he makes it to the firing squad he so richly deserves.

john jay @ 04.19.2013

p.s.   find the mosque they attended.  find the mosque their father attends in chechnya.  as i said, you figure it out.  but, they will have had a mentor at their mosque.  and, he wasn't preaching "reconciliation" and "assimilation" to them.  wanna bet?

a play in 13 (more or less) unlucky lines ....

 

title                                                ~~~  "the april reichstag marathon"  ~~~ 

the setting.  two couples sit in a brightly lit modern kitchen, at the kitchen table, paying cards.

1st man, errupting in laughter as he slaps a card on the table:  by jove, merciful heavens, my stars and garters, the planets are aligned with us, ... , i've an idea.

1st woman:  out with it, bill.

1st man:  they will not be provoked, they will not act, they will not give you the pretext you need to institutionalize and make permanent the revolution.  if they will not provide you with it, we will.

2nd man, interested:  what do you propose?

1st man: i've some students, ... , they wish to strike out against the ruling classes, to rouse the somnolence of the masses.  they admire my course in my youth.

2nd woman:  how can we turn this for us?

1st man:  we'll have to persuade some few of my fellows to act for us, i can persuade them of the historical and moral necessity for their actions, .....

1st woman, interjects:  he's good at that, trust me.

1st man, continuing, an affectionate nod to his wife:   ...... and then we'll blame the act & its consequences on those who oppose you, who stand in the way of history.  this act will give you the pretext to "secure the peace," and to impose the conditions to secure the revolution, to secure our rule.  we can do it, you can persuade the people, we'll have matthews & pelly & the kos to help us, they "don't need to know" the plan.  just you & i.

2nd woman:  how?

1st man: a few will have to give their lives, fate will choose them at random, no different from the fates such people always endure, eventually,  ...  their lives shall be ennobled by their sacrifice in ways they could never have secured on their own, the sacrifice we have chosen for them, to achieve the greater good, ... , some might even have approved, given the choice  .... .

2nd man:  tell me more.

                                                             ~~~  fini  ~~~

 

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the boston marathon bombing .... the "crimination" game .... proclivities & weapons ....

everyone speculates on who is responsible, and most often the speculation involves blaming someone other than the prognosticator's political stripe.

the dip shit chris matthews, for instances, speculates that it is right wingers, or tea party types that will be found responsible.  i have ventured the opinion that it looks and feels like islam.

we'll see.

and, one commentator "hopes" that it is someone "white."  i believe him to be of matthew's stripe, as well.

but, if it is "white" guys who are behind it, does that necessarily point with unerring logic at the right?

i think history and proclivity suggest not.

for one, bombers in this country have been pretty much leftists, with the possible exception of timothy mcveigh whose motives never have been explained satisfactorily to me.   but, just for the purposes of keeping count, let's call mcveigh a rightist.

on the other side, we have the president's own favorite bombers, that being the author of at least one of his books, the illustrious bill ayers and spouse bernie dohrn, founders and directors of the weather underground bombing wing.  this made them uniquely qualified ideologically, of course, to later financially support and sponsor the obama's professionally and politically, and start barack obama's political campaigns over tea at the kitchen table.  (how bourgeoisie.)

ayers and dohrn were responsible for, and have acknowledged responsibility, for several deaths, by bomb and armored car robbery.  they took the inspiration for at least one bombing campaign from the "hay market riots", a period of labor unrest in their beloved chicago.

the left has continued a rather low grade involvement in bombings ever since, bombing timber research holdings in the northwest to include some campuses, the bombing of animal research installations, and direct attacks upon recruiting centers for the military services, ... , by bombing.

bombings, especially the bombings of random and anonymous victims, do not seem the style of those on the right who are prone to violence.  the victims in right wing violence do not seem to be the victims such as at boston, and the implements of right wing violence seem to be typified by the rifle, and not the bomb.  (except mcveigh, as acknowledged, and, oh yes, the fellow who bombed the abortion clinics and the like.)

but, in general, right wing assassins tend to pick out prominent officials, public persons and the like, who seem to personify to them the injustices and outrages that they suffer personally in life.  they tend to fixate their anger upon individuals they think have wronged them, (whether or not that makes any particular sense, or follows any rationale known to anyone except themselves), and they exact their revenge upon individuals.

generally, no anonymity of victims with right wing assassins.

and, they tend to use firearms, which satisfies an apparent need to have an odd sort of intimacy with their victims, when they kill them.

so, it seems to me, that if the perpetrators of this bombing are "white," it seems more likely to me given their methodology and the persons they chose to victimize that they will be leftists rather than right wingers.  rather than anger at discrete individuals, their anger will be diffused and directed at society, and its institutions.

the boston marathon is an institution, identifying society.   i doubt very much that they disliked any individual marathoners for their fitness, for instance, or that the marathon committee would not let them run because they had not met performance standards.

we'll see.  

but, i am betting the left did this.   it smacks of bill ayers and bernie dohrn, or even louis farrakhan, ... , you know, someone from the cozy little "hyde park neighborhood."   or, who the hyde park "community" would like to live among them.

john jay @ 04.18.2013

p.s.  the piece at breitbart, below, notes that this is something like ayers and dohrn did, but, then says, they "didn't kill anyone."  as if to offer them some form of exculpation.  but, this is not terribly accurate factually, and misses the mark morally and legally.  2 or 3 of their compatriots were killed making bombs, when they blew up on them, during the planning and preparation stage of weather underground operations directed by ayers and dohrn.  to any prosecutor capable of wiping the snot off his nose, this was felony murder.   and, in addition, bill ayers and bernie dorhn were also complicit in the murder of several guards in a weather underground armored car robbery.

ayers and dohrn have blood on their hands, the same as if they lit the fuses, or pulled the triggers.

they are murderers.  let 'em sue me, they don't like the characterization.  but, there is no libel, no slander, in the truth.   period.

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has anyone or any agency identified w/ any degree of precision the type of explosive used in the boston marathon bombings?

this is important.

i have seen some suggestion in various articles that white smoke at the scene suggests that black powder was used in at least one of the bombs.  i have read in other articles that the bombs contained about 6 liters of explosive.   and, i have seen a picture that seems to show a mat of round balls, whether lead or steel i do not know, more or less "fussed" to pavement or a grate.

i know the scene was crowded, but it strikes me as doubtful that such an amount of black powder could cause that much devastation, and injure that many people.  the scene is described as strewn with the detritus of of explosion to include parts of limbs and digits, and i have read of two brothers who lost legs.

i suspect something of greater power, within that context.   i have yet to read anything which sheds much light on the matter, in that regard.

john jay @ 04.18.2013

 

p.s.  i've seen the surveillance tapes which identifies two individuals carrying brief cases as "suspects" or "persons of interest."  in those photo's, i also noticed a third man following behind them, carrying a brief case.

remote detonating devices?  is this person considered a suspect as well?