the god of "the people of the book" and the god of "muslims" has to be the same god, according to islam, ... , is that not true? ...

at atlas shrugs this post, http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/islamic-scholar-says-the-use-of-allah-for-god-in-malay-language-bibles-must-be-abandoned-because-it-erroneously-represen.html#comment-6a00d8341c60bf53ef014e8a1f9f86970d , reports on a controversy raging in malaysia over the use of the word "allah" to refer to god.  the title of the post, "islamic scholar says the use of 'allah' for 'god' in malay-language bibles 'must be abandoned because it erroneously represents the two religions as equal.'"

a prominent islamic figure of some sort, one mohd sani badron, says that "allah" is reserved for islams, while malaysia christians will just have to make do with "tuhan" when referring to god, in spite of the fact that the word "allah" has been used by malaysians for some 400 years or so.  (the bible in question is a reprint of a bible some 400 years old.)

but, wait a minute.--

islam, does it not, claims a whole host of old testament prophets, to include moses and jesus, as prophets of islam as well as of christianity.  as i am given to understand the whole thing these claims are asserted in the koran.  if i am wrong, i beg to be corrected.

again, as i am given to understand the matter, islam recognizes moses and jesus as allah's prophets, just as is mohammed, except that mohammed being the last prophet is the superior prophet, as he reports the last word of god.

but, this establishes perforce, in logic and in terms of islamic theology, does it not, that the god of the prophets moses and jesus, and the god of the prophet mohammed, is the same god?

it seems to me that there can be no other choice.

that being the case, and i cannot see how it could be otherwise, there arises an issue much akin to that raised by the doctrie of papal infallibility, except kicked up a notch or two, because now we confront the issue of god's infallibility.  and, to my way of thinking, we run smack dab into the issue of just who the damned muslims think they are, to challenge a previous decision of god.

god is infallible when he speaks/reveals/instructs mohammed upon the content of the koran, at least according to islam.  and, i am presuming that the presumption must be to islam, that god has always been infallible: at least, i have heard of no doctrine to the contrary that would provide that god was fallible before he met mohammed, but became infallible in time to confer the koran to mohammed.

so, where do the muslims get off in subsuming moses, and jesus, and abraham if i am not mistaken into their religion as prophets of allah, and then having the unmitigated gall, hubris, pride, conceit and just plain wrongheadedness to challenge the decisions of god:  1.)on the issue of making the jews his chosen people, with whom the special covenants running in the bible are described, beginning with abraham,and from whom they are communicated by moses to the jews while in the dessert, and 2.)on the issue of delivering the promised land to the jews, and instructing the jews to drive all others from the promised land.  (and, would that instruction not be just as "current" now as when it was first issued by moses, a prophet of god in both the christian bible and the islamic koran, and just as binding upon the jews, and, by the way, just as binding upon the muslims?  i am assuming that nothing in the koran abrogates god's word and will to moses.)

seems to me, that an infallible god, is an infallible god in the early parts of the bible, just as he in in the koran, and given this business with the prophets, that according to islam it is one and the same god.

and, to leave off, just about where we came in, it seems that if god is god, christian, judaic, and judaic, then his name in hebrew, islam or malay christian can be just about the very same as he chose to reveal it at various times to various people.  i just don't get off understanding why the muslims think that they should be able to dictate such matters to their fellow worshippers of the same god.

for, given this prophet business, the same god he most surely is.

and, if he is infallible in delivering the koran, then he was infallible in delivering the bible of the people of the book.  after all, an infallible god, does not run a fallible delivery service for infallible truth, no matter the nature of the delivery service.  to much such error, ... , well, such error would call into question the fallibility of the deity.

and this, i do not think, could be tolerated in certain circles, could it.  people are assuredly fallible.  god's instrumentality's are not, nor can they be, nor can the possibility be even entertained.  can it?

this sort of suggests that all worship of the same god, for if there is only one, there can be no other, is equal.  does it not?

john jay @ 07.25.2011

Comments

[MarkT]

This is an issue only if you actually believe in what islamists say. just sayin'. their koran also tells them to lie, cheat, steal in order to further their unholy objectives. sorry lot the whole bunch of em.

[john jay]

mark:

yes. precisely.

just started reading the koran this morning, and the "translator" is explaining the whole business of g_d and the prophets prior to "mo."

he is an college professor in england, for some time now.

he didn't get to the part about god instructing moses to expel all the inhabitants from the promised land, as i discussed.

odd, that.

john jay