oops update: i may have been burned by some comments on the "name of the hospital" issue. i was just at http://primeswormhole.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-birth-has-been-settled-or-has-it.html , and they have a segment by jerome corsi. he has included in his comments there the now famous birth certificates of susan elixabeth nordyke and gretchen carter nordyke who were born after obama at the facility, but received birth certificate numbers prior in sequence to his. that fact, btw, has never bothered me very much, because functionaries get stuff in piles and they process them in piles, and that is about that: obama was born on a friday, the girls on a saturday, and it may have taken bureaucracy time to catch up with the weekend's events.
but, i have made much below about name changes with the hospital, having read that several places, and i placed more credibility in the reporting than i should have.
corsi has copies of the girl's birth certificates at "the borg conspiracy," http://primeswormhole.blogspot.com/2011/04/obamas-birth-has-been-settled-or-has-it.html , and the documents as clearly as i can read them appear to have the same addresses as upon obama's "certificate," and appear to name the hospital as one obama's certificate. and, the documents with regard to the nordyke twins appear to have been issued in 1966.
so, we shall see what we shall see. but, for time being, i appear to have been "all wet."
my sincerest apologies to all concerned. end update.
by now the issue of whether obama's "second" birth certificate is a worse forgery than his "first" birth certificate runs rampant. hey, the first and the second are not the same, are they?
and, by now, it is pretty well established that the name of the hospital on the second effort, (duplicitous again, i think, which is a polite way of saying it appears forged as well), was not the name of the hospital he was "born in" in 1961, the more or less year of his birth.
the hospital did not acquire its now name until 1978 when it merged with another institution.
so, let me ask this simple question?
is there a person in hawaii born in 1961 possessing a certified copy of his birth certificate, which has the same name & address listed for the hospital of birth, on said certificate, as on obama's "certificate no. 2?"
it is a simple question. anyone else in hawaii born in 1961 with the hospital of birth listing a hospital that did not come into existence until 1978?
at this point, the issue is a technical one. did obama and the obama white house issue another forged birth certificate. or, was obama's mama simply 17 years prescient, and divined the name of the hospital in 1961 as it would be, eventually, in 1978? did dr. david a. smalan not notice that the birth certificate he signed had the hospital name incorrectly submitted, or did he experience similar prescience himself?
now, my question is addressed to a simple matter of proof and persuasion.--
should the obama camp be able to produce a certified copy of a birth certificate from another person born in 1961 at the hospital which "birthed" obama, with the same address and name as on obama's birth certificate, and obtained from the registrar of vital statistics state of hawaii before calendar year 2008 say, ... , yes, to remove any taint or suggestion that the same registrar who certified this one might be in on and colluding in yet another forgery, which appears to be the case, and, if i were him, i would be sweating bullets right now, ... , that would be one thing.
but, i am going out on a limb here. i don't think it can or will be done.
now, if it cannot be done, if no like document with a like name for the "birthing" hospital can be produced, then i think it simply substantiates and cements the fraud that obama and obama's white house have again attempted to perpetuate.
it is about time, if this second document is a fraud, that someone moves to remove obama from the white house either by impeachment, or by a suit to find him disqualified to be president of the united states.
simple as that.
john jay @ 04.28.2011